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I just sorted out the fic's I need to write in order to explain other fic's and discovered I've writing material for the next four years. Not counting the occasional oneshot or porn. Personally I don't thing a reader order is necessary since so far very fic is self-explaining, but some stories are a response to another story. If my dear Encairion is to blamed for an idea, it'll be mentioned accordingly like always-


MAEDHROS/MAEGLIN:

A shackle around your mind
(Námo, Irmo)
A black spot on the sun
(Maedhros/Maeglin)
Neither light nor darkness (Maedhros/Maeglin)

FINARFIN:

Things we lost in the Fire
(Finarfin, Maedhros, Maglor)
I'll be wrong, I'll be strong (Finarfin/Eärwen, Olwë, Melian)


SERIES OF GREATER MISFORTUNE:

The World breaks Everyone

(In which Maglor is creepy and insane. His family tries not to care.)

Heaven's Reward Fallacy

(Maedhros/Fingon - In which Fingon struggles with life and never seems to get it right.)



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Title: Morning Yearning by Alquien
Rated: Mature [ - ]
Summary: Family ties are the most complicated relationships.
Category: Fiction
Characters: Fingon, Galadriel, Gil-galad, Maedhros, Maglor, OFC, Orodreth
Content: Het, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 1 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 2934 | Read count: 2633

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Published: July 02, 2011 | Updated: July 02, 2011


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: November 16, 2012 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1

This is an excellent solution for the debacle of Gil-galads questioning origins^^



Title: ~ Magnificat of the Damned. Book III. Fire ~ by Spiced Wine
Rated: Mature [ - ]
Summary:

They had been damned for their pride.
Damned for their passions.
Damned by the Valar and by Morgoth Bauglir.
Hated and envied by both.

~~~


Reborn into an older world and freedom, they had discovered that the jealousy of Gods does not fade, and that damnation has an agelong reach.

~~~


In dark Angmar, the Mouth of Sauron feeds his ambitions with unspeakable acts. Coldagnir the Balrog begins to learn what freedom is, whilst in New Cuiviénen the Noldor battle with their own pride and passions.

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Every inner eye in the encampment was bent on the drama unfolding to the south, but Fëanor's mind seemed to focus all of them like a lens. There was no sound. This was the center. Fëanor's eyes were blank and blazing with impossible, unearthly light.

~~~


The Age of Powers and Kings. Fourth Age Map and Avatars.






Category: Fiction
Characters: Aegnor, Aredhel, Balrog, Beleg, Celegorm, Daeron, Elladan, Elrohir, Eluréd, Elurín, Eru, Fëanor, Fingolfin, Finrod, Gil-galad, Glorfindel, Gothmog, Huan, Legolas, Maeglin, Maglor, Mouth of sauron, OFC, OMC, Orc, Thranduil, Túrin, Uruk-Hai
Content: Action/Adventure, Angst, AU, Drama, Erotica, Explicit Sex, Horror, Hurt/Comfort, Incest, Kink, Rape/Non-con, Slash
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Series: Magnificat Of The Damned
Chapters: 69 | Completed: No | Word count: 312382 | Read count: 194014

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Published: July 05, 2011 | Updated: May 14, 2016


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: February 19, 2012 Title: Chapter 39: Chapter 39 ~ So Many Streams of Fear ~

Up until now, I was a silent reader, but I am about to change that. I have finally read through most of your verse to leave a decent review. I have to admit that I haven't read yet what happened during the Ring War, when Gil-Galad died and the first story with Vanimore lays a while back, but I'm familiar with the “Magnificat of the Dammed” and its gorgeous!

I love Feanor, I love the Feanorian's, Maeglin … (him especially, I have a weakness for characters like him!) and the way you bring them together. Heck, I don't even know where to start.

Perhaps it should be Maeglin, since it's him who intrudes me the most, since he is the only one, who's probably bound to end tragically. Right now I can't seeing him survive and live in happiness someday. Because there is no life he can return to, if (or better: when) he gets captured by the Mouth or sacrifices himself in another way. It will happen, but not soon. Not before Turin has grown up and Maeglin's presence revealed to those who dwell in Middle Earth. The onslaught he will have to endure after this, will probably be a part of that, which will make him desperate enough to help Turin kill the Mouth.

Who is said to kill the Mouth, but I suspected he won't be able to do it alone or without having to pay a price. Maeglin dying or coming very close to is one of possible costs. Not to mention that the Mouth is searching for (futher / ensured) immortality and he already used Bainalph and his blood. A captured Maeglin, I fear, could be the critical part that enables Turin later in some way live longer than a normal man. It would fit, since everybody hopes that Beleg doesn't have to live through finding and losing his love again.

I would fear for Maeglin's life (or his existence in your verse) if I wouldn't surely be able to bet on Maeglin and Turin becoming something like friends. Turin has a few things in common with Maeglin, a certain desperate edge in his soul for instance, and since Maeglin is already bound to reforge Anglachel I can see it happen. Not without difficulties, since jealously will play an important part and Maeglin will be faced with(or at least fear he will) losing Beleg to Turin, but Maeglin will also (probably and unwillingly at first) into some kind of mentor role for Turin.

Like I said, they have a lot in common, starting with a difficult relationship with their foster fathers, which love they always doubted at some point. There's also a onesided-love (though Turin is the one, who doesn't love Finduilas. Not the other way around like it had been the case with Idril) and the habit to make decisions that lead to unfortunate outcomes. If one can one call it habit, trying to get away from a father who has your guts for looking like Feanor, whom you are never able to surpass and unintentionally triggering death to those you love around you. Since accidentally killing thy fathers advisor and your lover causes the same lone behaviour Maeglin embraces.

Their fear to cause more sorrow always has lead to not having a friend at your side, when you needed him. It would be fitting for them to become friends. After long hours of debating who induces more grieve. Forgiveness is a avoided topic for Maeglin, because he fears (/believes) he could be thrown back into the void since it wasn't for the right reason the last time. Taking responsibility for a younger Turin would be a away to redeem himself and I remember Glorfindel saying to Maeglin a flashback that it its hard to befriend someone who doesn't grieve for his own father.

Curious topic, but I will have to wait until you continue the story in order to learn more about Maeglin's and Turin's fate.

But they are important. Maeglin at least is a counterbalance for Glorfindel, who has to prove he would aid every elf in need. Even those he doesn't like (Feanor), those he dispises (Celegorm) and those he wishes dead and don't deserve his had in his opinion in the first place (Maeglin). For me, Maeglin keeps Glorfindel human, because Glorfindel is mostly working over good intentions, not experience like Vanimore does. Vanimore is aware that damning Maeglin would harm Glorfindel more than Maeglin in the end. Reason for that would be Maeglin's doubtful bargain with Morgoth in the past and his lack of criminal behaviour now. Glorfindel's judgement would be seen as harsh, perhaps cruel even. Depends on how far and how fast Maeglin redeems himself. I think Glorfindel will have to bring himself to save Maeglin this time, to show he is “the better man” and a good guardian of the elves.

In addition I wonder if Glorfindel (it would fit the story in my eyes, but I'm not sure if it has been mentioned or not) blames himself for I losing Maeglin / letting him get captured in the first place or II being in charge of the search party that Turgon probably send out, when his “son” never returned. Glorfindel, in his mind or subconscious at least, knows that Morgoth could have broken Maeglin under torture and without the bargain, but he doesn't want to admit to having being played like this. Since he, Turgon and and the elves of Gondolin were, because Morgoth sized the chance in my eyes to turn a Feanor look-alike into a traitor. Better even, if he manipulates and stages the fall of Gondolin in a way that even the traitor believes the scheme.

This might be just my own interpretation and secret wish for Maeglin, but it would at least explain why Morgoth behaved so differently in this case and offered the bargain at all. He has tortured countless elves and turned them into ugly orcs, when leaving a rotten soul in a beautiful body would have far more productive. The elves are easy and quick to hate orcs, because they are ugly and the last chapters have proven not all of them are monsters. Long tradition and the lack of prospects let the raping/torturing habit surface and Celegorm's servant has proven that elves are capable of these acts as well. Not easily, but they can.

Maeglin (back to my subject) is a symbol and a test for the new age. Because if he, the ultimate traitor, can be redeemed, means that others (like Feanorian's, half-orc's or Balrogs) can be as well.

One has just to admit of being able to make mistakes. Like I would like to see someone confront Turgon about is parenting skills, since in my eyes he has his part to carry, when it comes to Maeglin. Not just Ulmo's warnings. For me it begins that Turgon doesn't compare as foster father to Maglor or Elrond. Glorfindel said that “Turgon loved you like a son!” … not “He saw you as his own son!”.

For Maeglin (and his history with Eöl) it makes a differences, not counting the standing question if Turgon blamed Maeglin for Aredhel's death in some way. Keeping a confused boy at an arm's length would explain, why Maeglin desired to become his heir. A desire or independence for one or the need to be accepted. Both roots with Eöl (Tolkin has his way with father-son relationships). He imprisoned his wife and his son or controlled them at least. Fear for them could have been a reason, since Eöl probably did love his family and didn't want to lose them to the Doom of the Noldor. Like most things, it didn't work out the way he wanted. Eöl's mentioned jealously towards Feanor, could be another reason why he never got close to Maeglin. Who looked like elf why created the Similarilli and therefore something Eöl couldn't surpass. Male pride is talking here.

One of my questions is just: Is Eöl related to Elu Thingol like it's mentioned in some of Tolkins works? Consequence would be that Maeglin is related to both twin pairs. To Elladan, Elrohir and Elrond twice over even. But I can also see Elured and Elurin with Maeglin. Desperate edge of the soul, like said before.

Before I'm finally coming to an end, there's just one thing I would like to add: While I'm the opinion that Finrod threw the first stone in Nargothrond, I woulld like to now if I'm just seeing things or is his real issue with Feanor loving Celegorm unconditionally while his own father does not? Perhaps I'm interpreting it just this way, but I can't rid of the image the comparison between Feanor, Finarfin and their son creates.

Feanor has proven he loves his children and would even submit to them, despite what he says. It's what happened with the Oath, because Fingolfin he could leave in Valinor, believing it would be the best and safest for him. He just didn't count on Fingolfin being a stubborn little brother, just like the unusual (but understandable, after what used happened) big brother protectiveness caught him unaware. His children on the other hand Feanor couldn't refuse, since I doubt he wanted them to swear the oath. The little Feanorian's most likely demanded it and Feanor into “Papa Wolf” the worst possible moment (i.e. someone who only would bow for his children) …

Finarfin on the other hand has heavily influenced Finrod and Glorfindel in a complete different way. Since Feanor has proven himself to be the better father, I can imagine Finrod (and Glorfindel, with him it's a bit different, but just as obvious) having problems with this.

Now I suspect, I have reached the end of my review. I couldn't help but finally theorise and examine the backgrounds a bit (“threads” … like some people would say).

I hope you don't mind my extended feedback if your awesome story. I have the habit to write comments like this, when I get truly fascinated by a story.


Greetings
mangacrack

Author's Response: Wow, Mangacrack, thank-you for such an incredible, and in-depth review. You certainly are a brilliant reader and extremely intuitive, and also in-tune with the themes in this story.

Re: The Mouth and Maeglin's possible fate. Maeglin himself is so certain that he will have to face the Mouth that he's very likely to subconsciously make certain that it does happen. I have always been interested in him as a character, and could never label him as the black villain he became known as. As for Glorfindel feeling in some way responsible for what happened to him, I do think you are right, even though Glorfindel may not entirely want to admit it. His actions in Gondolin were far from laudable, after all. There may have been an element of jealousy even, since in this 'verse Turgon could have named *him* the heir (rulership didn't seem to pass through the female line among the Noldor.) He also 'played' Maeglin by sometimes being his lover, so I think there was some desire there, but perhaps Maeglin did remind him of Fëanor (though Fëanor does not possess the angst Maeglin does, I believe). Yes, Glorfindel did say he mistrusted Maeglin because he showed no grief for his father or mother's death. Although Glorfindel was disowned by Finarfin, in general the members of the house of Finwë are very passionate about their familial relationships, and so an apparent lack of grief would seem wrong to Glorfindel, who felt Finrod die and pretty much went mad. I think Maeglin learned to keep quiet in Nan Elmoth, when he and his mother were not supposed to discuss Gondolin, and that became a habit with him.

For me, Maeglin keeps Glorfindel human, because Glorfindel is mostly working over good intentions, not experience like Vanimore does. Vanimore is aware that damning Maeglin would harm Glorfindel more than Maeglin in the end.
That's a reall excellent analysis.

I can see Maeglin growing close to Túrin, mentoring him. He did wonder if he reminded Beleg of Túrin, and there is definitely something in that. Your wondering why Morgoth didn't kill or utterly break Maeglin is really spot on. Morgoth did have an obsession (in this 'verse) with Fëanor, so twisting one of that family, making him into a traitor, would have been far more satisfying to him than torturing Gondolin's location from Maeglin and then just killing him.

One of my questions is just: Is Eöl related to Elu Thingol like it's mentioned in some of Tolkins works? Consequence would be that Maeglin is related to both twin pairs. To Elladan, Elrohir and Elrond twice over even. But I can also see Elured and Elurin with Maeglin. Desperate edge of the soul, like said before.

I am going with Eöl being kin to Thingol in this 'verse, yes. And while Elured and Elurin are by any standards insane, Maeglin I think became so in Gondolin, and certainly was at the end, so there is a lot of similarity. I see Eöl as an intense and brilliant man, not a wicked one; as you say 'male pride.' And his son leaned toward Aredhel and his Noldorin kin rather than to Eöl.

While I'm the opinion that Finrod threw the first stone in Nargothrond, I woulld like to now if I'm just seeing things or is his real issue with Feanor loving Celegorm unconditionally while his own father does not? Perhaps I'm interpreting it just this way, but I can't rid of the image the comparison between Feanor, Finarfin and their son creates.

There's a lot of truth in this; layers hidden under layers. Finrod, I think felt forced into the role of the perfect son, but because Finarfin suspected his attraction to Celegorm, it could never be enough. Fëanor, who many people had reason to blame for the kinslayings, for leaving Fingolfin's host, and whose name became infamous, loved his sons utterly and completely. They didn't have to earn his approval; they always had it and his love. Even in any disagreements, they would never have doubted his love. I am sure that did weigh with Finrod, probably with Glorfindel too, although he made his choice young, and always had Finrod's approval, was loved by Fingolfin, and in a rather different way, by Fëanor, so that lack was, in a way, filled. With Finrod, it never was, and his opting to go with the Exiles rather than turn back with his father was, as he must have know, the last straw, which was why when he was reborn, he was doubtless overlooked and watched like a hawk.

Well, we still have a long way to go before Maeglin's fate becomes clear, and I do hope you will still follow. Your review made my day. I am very lucky with having intelligent and deep-thinking readers, and when a 'silent' reader comes forward to write such a very insightful review, it means that I have succeeded in making people think about the characters, which thrills me, because of course, I do hope that I can do that.
Again, thank-you so very much!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 17, 2012 Title: Chapter 40: Chapter 40 ~ Indifference Has No Place ~

It is not surprising that one of the Finwions gets restless and wishes to join the war that is breeding in Angmar. Even less so since it's Tindómion, really. He of all people (aside from Glorfindel and Erestor) has spend the most time in Imladris. I can understand he would rather go back there, to a situation he understand than face Gil-galad and something he never had.

Intruding is the soul-drinking Vanimore has mentioned. If it is true, it would match my own theories regarding the race of orcs, who have to be cursed by Morgoth somehow. Because their society or ways to live never made sense. Raping and Raiding only can get you so far, so perhaps they are trapped in some kind of circle of hate and mistrust. Growing up with the knowledge they are damned and hated by everyone, seeing their fears confirmed it mainly results in the life Lion and Vixen have let. Who are probably the first in a long time, who have been given a chance at all. Especially if it's so easy to break people in the first place (well, this based on another fandom. But torture always stays the same).

I hope we will see more of the topic with orc's. I think we will because Malatur breeding them with humans will not end, until someone forces him to do it. What worries me if he will aquire more subjects for his experiments. (*shudders and pushes Maeglin's fate faaar away*)

Let's simply hope you will not let us wait so long again xD

mangacrack

Author's Response: Hiya, Mangacrack, :)
Tindómion is in a strange position here. Not only because of his fear about falling into the old trap of 'gelding himself,' but being part of this incredibly overpowering, highly incestuous family, after living so long as being the only Fëanorion (apart from his father, who was not around). It occurred to me he might find it not exactly intimidating, but need time to assimilate. This war brewing in Angmar isn't an excuse, but it does give him a kind of push. He knows he can do something, wants to do something, and will not feel as 'crowded'. (He circumvented every-one, and he's basically ignored Fëanor by asking Vanimórë to help him get to Imladris). So -- he's going rogue, lol.

If it is true, it would match my own theories regarding the race of orcs, who have to be cursed by Morgoth somehow. Because their society or ways to live never made sense. Raping and Raiding only can get you so far, so perhaps they are trapped in some kind of circle of hate and mistrust.

Orcish society does seem like 'raping and raiding'. If you read the conversation between the two orcs Sam overheard in Torech Ungol, they were talking about breaking away, finding somewhere with loot nearby - which does seem to imply they are just raiders. But I don't think, either, that makes sense long-term. You run out of things to raid, for a start, unless you are nomadic. I think they did have a culture, and in Mordor were more 'conditioned', but I have not thought much about them until recently. This gives me a chance to at least give them some brain-time. :) Of course I'm going back to the ancient past: Coldagnir remembers the Elves who were captured by Melkor and how they were corrupted; that will come into the story, too. In some way, the Elves who met the early orcs in battle, knew this -- they must have recognized their kindred, even greatly changed and this 'soul-drinking' was in fact a way of releasing them from bondage. What the orcs believed about life after death is unclear, but I'm thinking reincarnation -- the orcs and Men who owned Sauron as overlord had different beliefs about it going back to the first days, but the orcs did come to look on Elves as demons who would devour their souls, so there would be nothing left. I'm glad you're interested, as I think it's worth exploring a bit.

At the moment, Malantur has been stymied. He can experiment, horribly, and no doubt will, but he has no women (most died) and few Men left. (And female orcs don't acquiesce easily in this 'verse, even if a Man could be induced to mate with one). The orcs will breed naturally, so he will still be able to build a workable army from them, though it'll take time. Of course he will want more women, more 'subjects' to experiment on. This is a very sparsely populated land though, so he'll be looking toward places where there are people.

I am sorry that Maeglin's fate is so far away -- and I like him, too.

I am sorry for the delay :( I just have other things that I need to fit writing around, and have not yet found the balance, but I will try!

Thank-you so much for reviewing. I really appreciate it.



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: October 19, 2012 Title: Chapter 43: Chapter 43 ~ The Shadow of Brilliance ~

Yes, there's a new chapter and I shamefully admit not having reviewed the two before. Perhaps because I have trouble to truly grasp, where Thranduil and Bainalph's story will lead to. The Finwions are far easier to handle. Strange, but true ;) First: I just loved the conversation about Finarfin. He too has his faults, but he had also been very alone and without support in Valinor. Unlike his brothers, who clung to each other, even after death.

Tindómion' retreat is understandable. Too much in a very short time for him to handle. Really, really loved the comparison with air and fire. Gil-Galads confusion is almost cute, just as Feanor's irritation. They seem to be quite puzzled, why Tindómion could want to leave. The idea of losing yourself, who have you been in the last three thousand years, is not easy to get used to. Especially since the "return from death" stirs as much trouble as losing someone to death.

But now: when Feanor suggested (well, not a suggestion perhaps. Rather a logical conclusion) to speak with Maeglin I squealed! I really want to see this happen. The meeting will be loaded with suspension, but Feanor and Fingolfin have to speak with the source and create an image of their own, not trust to deeply in second-hand information. Because everyone from Maeglin's life is biased: Glorfindel, Aredhel, Turgon. Doesn't matter if for or against him, it's not the truth. Not entirely ... I wonder how Maeglin will react? Tindómion is a first obstacle, but at least Maeglin has no reason to fear him. Meeting Fingolfin (who openly admits to wanting to kill him) would let him break out in cold sweat. An interesting picture, especially since Fingolfin is not used to being feared, hated and criticized, unlike Feanor. How grew up isolated enough to at least have an understanding about what Maeglin feels.

Uhh ... now I will have to live with a Feanor-Fingolfin-Maeglin standoff in my mind for the next month(s) ^^

mangacrack

Author's Response: Hiya, Mangacrack, and thank-you!

Perhaps because I have trouble to truly grasp, where Thranduil and Bainalph's story will lead to. The Finwions are far easier to handle. Strange, but true ;)

Sometimes it's the journey and not the ending (: I also dislike tying things off neatly, so while there will be a conclusion, I am not interested in that so much as how these two interact along the way (: There is no momentum in conclusions, only in the travelling.

Tindómion' retreat is understandable. Too much in a very short time for him to handle. Really, really loved the comparison with air and fire. Gil-Galads confusion is almost cute, just as Feanor's irritation. They seem to be quite puzzled, why Tindómion could want to leave. The idea of losing yourself, who have you been in the last three thousand years, is not easy to get used to. Especially since the "return from death" stirs as much trouble as losing someone to death.

I am glad that Tindómion's reasons make sense, as they did to me. Even in Lindon he was self-sufficient, and had to be, didn't long for a vanished age because he had never known it, and had not 'lost' any-one to it, save the father he didn't know. And after Gil-galad's death he *had* to learn to survive, so suddenly finding himself being sucked into this conflagration rattles him.

I really want to see this happen. The meeting will be loaded with suspension, but Feanor and Fingolfin have to speak with the source and create an image of their own, not trust to deeply in second-hand information. Because everyone from Maeglin's life is biased: Glorfindel, Aredhel, Turgon. Doesn't matter if for or against him, it's not the truth. Not entirely ...

Yes, and Fëanor can actually see that (in this instance he is seeing more clearly than Fingolfin) I did write, and then took out, his saying that they couldn't wholly trust the visions they were all shown in the Everlasting Dark, (as part of their punishment) since even those were 'fed' to them. They do need to see the source, Maeglin himself, and I do know how I am going to write it.

Fingolfin is not used to being feared, hated and criticized,

No, he is not, but he's carrying an odd kind of guilt here; he's ashamed that some-one of his blood would treat with the Enemy who killed him, so it's not as simple as his hating the person who caused the death of Turgon and most of his people, but feeling 'How could my grandson do that?' As Maeglin is very like the House of Fingolfin, and looks like them, he's definitely as much a Finwion as Tindómion is, despite having other blood.
Tindómion is not the problem, as he's already seen Maeglin, but he definitely won't be expecting to see Fëanor and Fingolfin, and I hope it will be less than two months before that happens! (: Thank-you so much for reviewing, Mangacrack. I appreciate it very much!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: January 02, 2013 Title: Chapter 44: Chapter 44 ~ A Clouded Gem ~

I think I nearly died, reading this chapter. But I had to live, because I wanted to see how it ends and it was glorious!

Feanor, Fingolfin and Maeglin. They are truly a lethal combination and the more I read the more I come to the conclusion that Gondolin was the worst place for Maeglin to grow up. Any other Lord, any other place would have been better, because how Maeglin suffers from being the unloved child is just upsetting.

I still want to rip Turgon to shreds. I remember Maeglin talking about not being the only prisoner, certainly Turgon would notice if an entire company vanishes? Well, notice perhaps, but its surprising how much a soul can ignore when it is determined.

But at least Fingolfin proves that he's wiser than his son and a greater king. As angry as a he was, it was just as obvious that he could not lay hand on Maeglin. For his grandson himself, not only Aredhel. Like Fanari said in the beginning of book one: pain is the only excuse that it explains it and traitors are usually raised, not born. Or pushed into a corner without hope to escape, leaving them nothing but doomed defiance.

I like Feanor's insight on Maeglin, how he's just as ensnared in the Valar's grasp as Finarfin is. Curiously both have in common how utterly alone they stand against a overwhelming force of malevolence and resentment. Which means that I just adore this sentence: "Where was his own hate? He searched for it, found it, a little thing buried deep under the concentrated wrath directed at the Valar and their fallen brother."

But I better not start quoting now or else I will never stop. I would have to put half of the chapter inside the review, because it is just divine how Feanor describes Maeglin and Fingolfin facing each other. What a standoff. Amusement is radiating off me, because ... just a inch of more dryness in Maeglin's voice and I would be howling with laughter. He's proving himself to be truly his mother's son since he Maeglin can't be stopped by his grandfather and his Highking. But at least they try and thwart the direction of his path to a different end.

This meeting should be gruesome and bloody. The fact that it is not just speaks for the underling need to love (and be loved, in Maeglin's case). I really wondered if Fingolfin would be ready to face Maeglin. In something else but anger, but I admit he has exceeded all my expectations. Perhaps he couldn't simply not act the way he did, when he saw how deep his grandsons scars go.

I'm looking forward to the confrontation between Fingolfin, Feanor and Turgon later, when he's told that he goes to war to rescue Maeglin from Malatur's clutches. A chance to redeem himself as uncle. He has failed so miserably the first time. Let's see if Eärwen has influence on him and the way he will treat Maeglin, when the day of judgement arrives. Since it is possible for Maeglin to get a sibling? I wouldn't know who the father would be (unless you plan to revive Eöl, when would be amusing to watch), but it would do Maeglin good to have a younger brother / sister. He would completely be suckered into the helpless love of an elder brother. It's sad that his generation has so few Finwii to begin with. Perhaps the new peace will grand them a chance to let the Clan grow futher (yes, more tragic dramatics!).

Futhermore: I think the scene how Fingolfin is following Maeglin will forever be etched into my mind. It's just so beautiful! Your choice of wording is every single time worth the wait ("face trained to stillness" from last chapter, now the "Maeglin was drawn in, accepted, and bound with one word.") ...

And ... that last kiss in the end ... *tries to hide the drooling* ... I already like them both, but this ... just wow. Incredible as well how Maeglin knows no shame and is aroused while Fingolfin is still struggling. I do hope Maeglin finds his own love one day. Personally I would push him towards Celebrimbor, for the alikeness shake, their issues with parents and one-sided love, bu that is up to you ... Still I have now the picture in my head how Maeglin trails after Feanor like a puppy, starved for attention. What would he say if he knew that Feanorhas recognized his forging skills?Especially since Eöl's anger routed in bitter jealously of Feanor's Silmaril?

Which leaves the question how Eöl came close enough to the jewels in order to acknowledge their brilliance. He died before Eärendil started sailing and never met Feanor. Did he met Morgoth after he had stolen them already? I need to check the book and then to something about the urge to draw.

This story is just pure seduction into the Tolkien Universe.

mangacrack

P.S. I apologize for ignoring Bainalph completely but the meeting with Maeglin simply dominated my mind. From the release of the last chapter until now. Hell, I dreamed about it. I laid awake at night, wondering. Now I can sleep peacefully again =)

Author's Response: Wow, what a review! I have to admit, since I know you like Maeglin, that I wondered what you would think of it.

Which leaves the question how Eöl came close enough to the jewels in order to acknowledge their brilliance. He died before Eärendil started sailing and never met Feanor. Did he met Morgoth after he had stolen them already? I need to check the book and then to something about the urge to draw.

I'd have to check what I wrote in this AU, but I believe I wrote that Eöl' jealousy of Fëanor's skills was borne of Aredhel eulogizing about the Silmaril and her uncle and cousins. I can imagine it, since Eöl himself was a 'maker' that Aredhel might have thought, in the early days of their marriage, that her husband would be professionally interested rather than jealous. As far as I know, Eöl never saw the Silmaril, never came near Angband. But, Looking at Anglachel, Fëanor can see the master-touch in the work, both in the original in Maeglin's remaking. Maeglin, of course, would have seen the Silmaril when he was taken before Melkor.

I remember Maeglin talking about not being the only prisoner, certainly Turgon would notice if an entire company vanishes? Well, notice perhaps, but its surprising how much a soul can ignore when it is determined.

I did write about that too, but I'd have to find where; as far as I remember, Maeglin had people working in the far mine all the time, so if some didn't return to Gondolin, Turgon wouldn't immediately think they were missing in action, or captured (since Gondolin was, he thought invulnerable, so that would be the last thing that would cross his mind, I imagine( neither would their families or co-workers; they would to all intents and purposes, still be at the mines. I think that's in Magnificat I, so I'll have to go and check on that.

What a standoff. Amusement is radiating off me, because ... just a inch of more dryness in Maeglin's voice and I would be howling with laughter. He's proving himself to be truly his mother's son since he Maeglin can't be stopped by his grandfather and his Highking. But at least they try and thwart the direction of his path to a different end.

Yes; let's hope it works. Maeglin is as intransigent as his mother, as Fëanor himself, but in this case, because he can see no other way to redemption but a horrific and unwitnessed death.

Perhaps he couldn't simply not act the way he did, when he saw how deep his grandsons scars go.

Fingolfin does see; I think he wanted to, face-to-face, not by remove, into Maeglin's soul, and found that he wanted to love him, and wonders how he would have acted if dealt the same hand. And despite all, he wants to love his daughter's son.
Maeglin had power in Gondolin, but what love he received was because he was a replacement for his mother, and so with that, and loving two people who looked askance at him, he was a tragedy waiting to happen, not to mention that his part in the Doom of the Noldor was pre-written - Ulmo told Turgon; I am not sure Maeglin could have escaped that; few others seemed to.

I'm looking forward to the confrontation between Fingolfin, Feanor and Turgon later, when he's told that he goes to war to rescue Maeglin from Malatur's clutches. A chance to redeem himself as uncle. He has failed so miserably the first time.

I am pretty sure Turgon won't know until the confrontation; that's the way I have it worked out in my mind, at least. Up to then, it will still be a secret between those who know and the majority of the Noldor.

Maeglin does deserve some-one to be passionately in love with him, I agree, and he does have at least one brother to come; it's in Dark God. Aredhel bore a son with Eldarion, and Eldarion gives him the Ring of Barahir before the cataclysm that ends that Age, so the bloodline continues, but there may be more before then.

This story is just pure seduction into the Tolkien Universe.

Oh, thank-you so much! I am thrilled you enjoyed this; and I hope you will do some more art!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: January 02, 2013 Title: Chapter 44: Chapter 44 ~ A Clouded Gem ~

"I remember Maeglin talking about not being the only prisoner, certainly Turgon would notice if an entire company vanishes? Well, notice perhaps, but its surprising how much a soul can ignore when it is determined."

I did write about that too, but I'd have to find where; ...

Hm, Book 1, if I remember correctly. About the time Glorfindel discovered Maeglin coming to Middle Earth. Around the chapter Van stopped Glorfindel from slaying Maeglin outright.

... I'm shocked I remember this, but on the other hand I have read the first book so often, it shouldn't surprise me. I'm obsessed.

Author's Response: I'm shocked I remember this, but on the other hand I have read the first book so often, it shouldn't surprise me. I'm obsessed.

Well, wow. When I began Dark Prince, I never thought any-one would be even a little bit interested. Thank-you. I will have to come to you when I need to remember something I wrote d;-) I am much better at remembering other people's work than my own!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 07, 2013 Title: Chapter 45: Chapter 45 ~ Black Crucible ~

My first thought actually was: 'Holy Crap, Edenel is that old?' But it would finally explain much about him and the hints you have been dropping. I cannot say how much I adore you for delving into the second negative Morgoth could have created. Not wrong and ugly, like Orcs ... just simply turned in the inside while still possessing elven beauty. But Edenel did not seem evil, I guess there is more. It's obvious that he is not a mindless soldier and right now I will even assume that he was free of influencing shadows on his soul.
Yet he spoke of facing fears ... perhaps he wants to, but I wonder what will be his reason to do so?

Oh, even if it is just many years in the future, I fear for Maeglin. With Tindómion's beautiful participation in Maeglin's worry and rather cute “Thou also?” wondering, I am assured for now. Despite what could be a wonderful friendship in growing stages among Maeglin and Tindómion, there will be patterns. Especially if Malatur tries to recreate what Morgoth failed to do in the First Age.

Still, i would rather concentrate on Maeglin and Tindómion. Simply grin madly, when returning to the fast formed image of a jealous Gil-galad (Tindómion has compared his lover with Maeglin's feature already!). When you reminded my of Tindómion history of betrayal, I finally found it easier to see them interact with each other. Before this chapter I had difficulties of guessing Tindómion reacting to the continued exposure of Maeglin.

The "I will stand by thee, Lomion" is a good beginning as well, since it will take awhile for poor confused MAeglin to get used to fierce love declaration's. A little bit like, when Maedhros admitted for believing that his father had turned from him, when the Simaril burned his hand.

Weaving Fanari into the topic, was also another bride I did not expect, but that helped bringing these two characters together. Fanari has a history with both of them and she is such a brave woman. Commenting on Idril behavior or rather the correction of the holy image some have of her, is a nice process. History has to be reflected and talked about, when one wants to learn from it. Not many elves do it, since they do not consider that they could have been walking the wrong path before they died.

Gondolin is just the topic no one can avoid.

I will also note that I love the careful cirque of Turgon. For him as character it's too early to appear, but it's pacifying to see, how Tindómion doesn't side with him. With Maeglin's ill fame as traitor, it's not self-evident for people change their minds about him. Either that quickly or at all, even with Feanor and Fingolfin's unspoken support. Aredhel must be quite relieved, she has patience enough to wait, especially now since she doesn't have to fear of having to chose among her son and her family.

Next to the quite unexpected unveiling's in the last parts, I was most amazed by Glorfindel admitting a mistake. Of course he has hinted to it before, but he is quite arrogant and saying to Tindómion he bears a responsibility in the events surrounding Gondolin while Maeglin witnessing it ... is something I had not expected. While this speaks of wisdom (when he needs, if he wants to be a better Valar than the others) it surprised me. In Book I he was ready to damn Maeglin to the void, Van barely stopped him. I wonder what changed his mind? I expected Maeglin to suffer much more before Glorfindel showed something resembling compassion.

The only thing left to do is pitying Van torn between not being unique anymore and having others like his kind.

Author's Response: My first thought actually was: 'Holy Crap, Edenel is that old?' But it would finally explain much about him and the hints you have been dropping. I cannot say how much I adore you for delving into the second negative Morgoth could have created. Not wrong and ugly, like Orcs ... just simply turned in the inside while still possessing elven beauty. But Edenel did not seem evil, I guess there is more. It's obvious that he is not a mindless soldier and right now I will even assume that he was free of influencing shadows on his soul. Yet he spoke of facing fears ... perhaps he wants to, but I wonder what will be his reason to do so?

There is much I didn't show regarding Edenel and his tribe, because Van was looking through Coldagnir's memories, and not into Edenel's, so he couldn't see what these 'altered' Elves thought. That is to come. It's really for Edenel to tell. They did not return to Melkor in Angband, and eventually came west, to the ancient Greenwood, and so far, that's all we know - yet.

When you reminded my of Tindómion history of betrayal, I finally found it easier to see them interact with each other. Before this chapter I had difficulties of guessing Tindómion reacting to the continued exposure of Maeglin.

This, I think, is something Tindómion has been thinking about, probably with reluctance. He has already been trusted not to speak about Maeglin. If he maintains mistrust and dislike after Fingolfin (and Fëanor) accepted Maeglin, it feels somehow petty. And yes, he was tempted himself, and even after, knowing what might have happened, there were times he wished he had gone through with it.

History has to be reflected and talked about, when one wants to learn from it. Not many elves do it, since they do not consider that they could have been walking the wrong path before they died.
Gondolin is just the topic no one can avoid.


I think most of them are reflecting now. There may be some who feel they accrued no bad marks, and did what they could, but most of them are subjecting themselves to introspection. Yes, unfortunately Gondolin really cannot be avoided, certainly not when the time comes for Maeglin (Lómion now) to face Turgon and his folk.

Glorfindel has had previous thoughts about Maeglin, just as he did about Fëanor. His wondering, even back in the first book, if he could have swayed Fëanor by going with him Endor, has lead him to thinking of how he deliberately played Maeglin, partly to keep him off Idril, and partly because he could, and there was some sort of spark there. Maeglin knew he was being used, but Glorfindel refused to be used himself. Glorfindel does admit that he was not exactly saintly in Gondolin, but then, they're all very proud, the Finwions! And he's a little in Tindómion's position, too. He's supposed to oversee the Elves, but not rule them or really get involved. Fëanor is high king; if he and Fingolfin, who is more nearly concerned with Maeglin, both accept him, the dynamics have changed. All they can do really, is wait and see if Maeglin/Lómion does pass his test.
Glorfindel has also been forced to realize his mistakes when it came to Legolas, has seen how Elúred and Elúrin, who captured and raped Celegorm, have been pretty much forgiven, how Finrod deals with Celegorm (He's a very close spectator to that, now). This is a season of second chances, but more than that, Lómion is walking an old path. If he is accepted, isn't there less reason for him to betray a second time?

I don't think Vanimórë is chagnrined at not being 'unique' (He would probably say if that was uniqueness, then stuff it!) But of course he is shocked because he saw what those Elves went through, both those who became the first orcs, and those who were 'altered' to become the White Slayers. It probably makes him feel young and despite his powers, ignorant. He will want to speak to Edenel, but how does one bring this up?
Thank-you so much for your comments, Mangacrack. They are very much appreciated. (:



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: May 26, 2013 Title: Chapter 46: Chapter 46 ~ Shadows and Roots ~

My Heart. Seriously, my heart. What have you done to it? And my poor jaw that nearly cracked by desk?

The last revelation that Edenel is Finwe's brother was something I would have never guessed. While I always had my doubts that Finwe had no relatives on his own and then so many children, you completely mislead us when it came to that particular relationship. Of course it immediately leaves wanting to know more. I guess it's most difficult for Edenel to admit this. Finwe was dead most of the time and he never had to face the descendants of his brother. I wonder how was the first Finweion Edenel met in person? Elrond probably, but it's hard to find someone, Elrond isn't related to.


Still this last sentence takes my entirely off the track. Before you distracted with the glorious tease of Edenel and Finwe, I was taking Vanimórë apart in my head again. It puzzles me that I cannot figure out how exactly he is bound to his father, because there has to be some emotional tie that is based on. My guess is that Vanimórë originally dreamed of what a real family would be like, even with his father. But that fantasy will never be real and now Sauron defines him so deeply. It could destroy (or rather unmake?) him if Vanimórë tried to dissolve what ties him to his father.


Just a theory, but it is based on some thoughts I had about the Valar. If they lied so much already, did they lied about death and lifespans as well? Elves can affect reality with their song and is their belief so strong and deeply rooted that they unwittingly do harm as well because they haven't discovered the thruth yet? I find it strange that the Valar simply could bestow Elros and his descendants longer lifespans. Did they correct what was supposed to be there already?


Never mind. Feanor just leaves always pondering many things. I really enjoyed the moment between him and his son (he should spend more time with their, they are clearly not over the First Age yet). But I would like to hear his evaluation of Maeglin.


Thanks for writing such a marvellous chapter again.
It's always worth the wait.

Author's Response: Hiya Mangacrack, and thank-you for reviewing. Sorry about your jaw!

I guess it's most difficult for Edenel to admit this. Finwe was dead most of the time and he never had to face the descendants of his brother. I wonder how was the first Finweion Edenel met in person? Elrond probably, but it's hard to find someone, Elrond isn't related to.

There was not time in this chapter to go more deeply into Edenel's life, but I do know at the Last Alliance he did not meet Elrond, or Tindómion though he doubtless saw them. The Silvans refused to acknowledge Gil-galad as their High King, nor would they march under his banner, and thus the terrible losses they sustained. Although (in this 'verse) Thranduil did remain with what was left of his forces and take part in the seven year siege, I believe that (within the limitations imposed by where they were, he kept as much distance between himself and the Noldor as he could) I believe that Edenel would have wanted to see the Noldor, and long knew of the familial connection between Gil-galad, Elrond, Tindómion and himself, but withheld. How do you approach some-one with that kind of knowledge? I am as yet unsure if he would have said anything had it not been discovered who he was. We'll see.

Before you distracted with the glorious tease of Edenel and Finwe, I was taking Vanimórë apart in my head again. It puzzles me that I cannot figure out how exactly he is bound to his father, because there has to be some emotional tie that is based on. My guess is that Vanimórë originally dreamed of what a real family would be like, even with his father. But that fantasy will never be real and now Sauron defines him so deeply. It could destroy (or rather unmake?) him if Vanimórë tried to dissolve what ties him to his father.

There is an emotional tie, although Vanimórë wouldn't want to admit it. I intend to look into that more deeply in the next Magnificat story (the one I took down), but I also touch on it in the crossover for Esteliel stories. Van first imagined that he and his sister were children of the Noldor who had been left in Tol-in-Gaurhoth in the attack, (he was very young, after all) and did dream of what his parents might be like. But he had very little to go on. He loved his sister, so knew what love was, and thought their parents might love them, even though they left them behind. Even after, when he knew whose son he was, part of him wanted to love Sauron. Incest didn't bother him if it meant Sauron loved him, but then he could not get over the betrayal, when Sauron gave him to Melkor. So yes, Sauron defines him, and after the destruction of the Ring, even though he was free, he was unmoored. Sauron had always been there, grounding him. I wrote that in Magnificat II somewhere.

Elves can affect reality with their song and is their belief so strong and deeply rooted that they unwittingly do harm as well because they haven't discovered the thruth yet?

Quite possible, I think. As for the Choices of the Half-Elven, I think Eru through the Valar could fiddle with lifespans. They even numbered Tuor among the Elves, which would mean that he would have gained their lifespans.

You will hear Fëanor's evaluation of Maeglin, but not in a conversation to Celegorm, as Fëanor is keeping that matter close to his chest at the moment. :) Thank-you so much for your review, Mangacrack!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: July 24, 2013 Title: Chapter 47: Chapter 47 ~ The Dark-Shattered Past ~

My smile is so wide right now. Finwe as father of all the passionate Noldor, I wonder how will he react? Sadly I cannot see his face, therefore I will content with the image of spontaneous combustion. Flames everywhere :)

Otherwise the chapter was very intruding. Van deserves a friend, a comrade who knows what it means to be tainted with darkness. I will gladly see more of it. But the greatest highlight (aside from the fact that they call Maeglin Lomion already) what Elgalad getting angry. Have I ever seen I'm angry before? I can't recall if he has, so I take this as subtle, but incredible character development.

Author's Response: My smile is so wide right now.

Really :D I am glad I could make you smile with Finwë. We'll have to see how he reacts.

I agree about Van needing a friend, but I am not sure that he and Edenel will have that much to do with one another. Edenel may think he has no kin any-more, but I am sure his kin wouldn't feel the same way. Van's path leads him quite far from the Elves for a long time. It was good that Edenel could talk to some-one who understood on a more than sympathetic level.

But the greatest highlight (aside from the fact that they call Maeglin Lomion already) what Elgalad getting angry. Have I ever seen I'm angry before? I can't recall if he has, so I take this as subtle, but incredible character development.

I am sure Elgalad *has* been angry at times, but not with Vanimórë. They have not been together for very long, and I think what is beginning to drive splinters under Elgalad's nails is how Van will go so far and no further with him, how he turns away from pity, how he hates himself. Because Elgalad loves him that both hurts and infuriates him. He is not the kind of person to fly off the handle easily, but he's beginning to see that loving Vanimórë is fraught with difficulty, because Van thinks he does not deserve it. Thank-you, Mangacrack :)



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: October 24, 2013 Title: Chapter 49: Chapter 49 ~ Morgoth's Ring ~

Lovely! I was curious who would be in your focus now and returning to the Sons of Feanor is something I greatly desired. Feanor has so many of them and in the past chapters, they received less attention than they deserved. Bringing Caranthir and Maedhros into the fold is good, them have both a good sense for politics and their view is interesting.

It's refreshing that the chapter is told by another person, Caranthir and Maedhros have a different focus and their outward view to their father's recent travel is important. When Feanor was in the North and when he returned, he appeared calm and collected, but his sons know him better. They can also better estimate the feelings of their followers. The Noldor in general need Feanor as impulse, as someone who urges them on. Caranthir (and Maedhros especially) are better entitled to explain and translate Feanor's intentions.

As long as they don't entangled with their own issues again. They seem to be slowly coming around. It's just sad Caranthir only commented on Curufin and Celebrimbor, but with the impending storyline I guess the focus lays somewhere else. I can ignore lovely Feanorian father-son relationships, when two other Feanorians are about to get involved with Turgon. Not only, because I wish to see how they handle him (I'm afraid my view is biased, because I love Maeglin so much), but because Fingolfin's family knows far more inner disunity than Feanor's. At least it seems that why, since Turgon rallies those Noldor behind him, who don't agree with Feanor's lifestyle. Not really his fault, just logical I guess.

I wonder how he will react to Maedhros, who he makes most likely responsible for Fingon's death. (Life choices as well.) Wanted or not, Turgon could easily fracture the Finwe Clan again. It's fine as long as he has just Maedhros and Fingon to ignore. Any hint to Fingolfin and Feanor's relationship could break him. At least I guess that's partly what Ecthelion is hinting at? The official policy to same sex relationships supported by Feanor and an (official) half-willing Fingolfin?

Maedhros, without even looking, slammed a hand down on Caranthir's thigh. The warning was clear.


Love that line, it speaks of a world made of intimacy that surrounds the Feanorians. Hard to imagine that with Turgon and Fingolfin. (I'm a bit confused, what exactly Ecthelion intended with "And he is Fingolfin's son" ...

So ... coming meeting will be interesting. I'm hoping for Elenwe to be a regal woman, who keeps her husband in line. I imagine her to be a reasonable person, but Fingon's also present she probably feels obligated to stick to her husband, who could easily accuse Fingon to be in league with Maedhros and therefore, with the entire Feanorian horde. He wouldn't be wrong, now with the Kinslaying no longer being a pressing issue.

The next chapter I will have to reread. I adore Morgoth and Sauron. They are no longer a shadow on the horizon. Love how they see themselves still as untained, therefore as Melkor and Mairon. Did they ever cared about the names, they were given? I'm curious how you will solve the ideological issues. Or who will stick with who, since I doubt that the Noldor strong enough to take on the Valar and the forming resistance in the Void without any losses.

Threating Glorfindel is logical and I look foreward it. I wish to know how he handles being a Valar and threats to his person. A challenge would do him good, he seems a bit aloof and has currently no-one who truly opposes and argues with him. (Feanor doesn't count, because he is always an exception.

One thing I would like to know: is the absent banner Glorfindel's or Maeglin's? The text indicates both.

And: In which story Glorfindel's rebirth is discussed? I've kind of forgot the reason why Glorfindel was allowed to return, when he broke the laws like everyone who went into the void? I image that could create some resentment among the returned?

Before I forget it: thanks for adressing Eärendil. How many elves simply forget that his is still up there? Disbelieve would be natural for some. And wasn't Eärendil a protection against Morgoth? He is supposed to guard the Doors of the Night, together with another one. At least the Sil. Text mentioned something like this.

Author's Response: Hello Mangacrack, and thank-you for such an all-encompassing review :)

I felt I needed to get back to the main encampment because we know that everything there is not exactly Eden-like. On the outside things might seem calm enough now, but there's a lot bubbling.

Fingolfin's family knows far more inner disunity than Feanor's. At least it seems that why, since Turgon rallies those Noldor behind him, who don't agree with Feanor's lifestyle. Not really his fault, just logical I guess.

I wrote back in Magnificat I, and in 'I Will Lead' that Fingon's relationship with Maedhros stemmed from when Fingon was a child, so I can imagine Turgon being jealous of an older brother who had already chosen the person he loved best in the world when Turgon was growing up. To me that's why he became close with Finrod, who was a lovely person, and also had time for him. I am not saying Fingon didn't, but his life choice, as you say, had already been made.

Ecthelion knows that Turgon is not exactly trying to stir up trouble, but he is falling back into wanting isolation and order, with himself as the one who makes the laws. It's not altogether unreasonable, but it could turn unpleasant. If that is all he wants, no-one will stop him, if he starts to obviously draw away from Fëanor and his father and foment rumours, putting himself up as the only viable candidate to follow if people turn from Fëanor's laws and mores, then that could get ugly. I don't see Turgon as a villain, and as Caranthir says, neither does he, it's just a situation he feels should be clarified, and a warning given. Ecthelion saying that Turgon was Fingolfin's son - he did not wish to be any clearer, but he thinks Turgon is aware of his father's relationship with Fëanor, and so his jealousy might not only be aimed at Fingon. After all, having both your father and older brother claimed by Fëanorions, would make you feel left out in the cold, somewhat!

I'm hoping for Elenwe to be a regal woman, who keeps her husband in line. I imagine her to be a reasonable person, but Fingon's also present she probably feels obligated to stick to her husband, who could easily accuse Fingon to be in league with Maedhros and therefore, with the entire Feanorian horde. He wouldn't be wrong, now with the Kinslaying no longer being a pressing issue.

I don't think Turgon would want Elenwë around to hear the possible argument that he does not know is about to break over him! I don't know what she's like, only that she's on the High Council in her own right, (nominated by Fëanor) so she's no wilting lily. If she wants to get involved, I suspect she will.

Love that line, it speaks of a world made of intimacy that surrounds the Feanorians. Hard to imagine that with Turgon and Fingolfin.


Yes indeed. Fingolfin loves all his children, of course, but the Fëanorion sons are something else altogether when it comes to closeness.

I adore Morgoth and Sauron. They are no longer a shadow on the horizon. Love how they see themselves still as untained, therefore as Melkor and Mairon. Did they ever cared about the names, they were given? I'm curious how you will solve the ideological issues. Or who will stick with who, since I doubt that the Noldor strong enough to take on the Valar and the forming resistance in the Void without any losses

I suspect that they loathed the names they were given. But there will be more about them in the fourth and final story. I will touch a great deal on Melkor and Sauron as they will be main characters. At the moment, Melkor is coming to terms with the new power balance, seeing what he can do. It is a long time since he was cast out, but then again, there's no time in the Void, so it could also seem like a very short time. More of them anon. We know Sauron does return, but what he does after he is 'killed' - except he cannot really be killed, and was not, in Dark God, still has to be covered.

One thing I would like to know: is the absent banner Glorfindel's or Maeglin's? The text indicates both.

Caranthir meant Glorfindel's - Maeglin has been completely expunged from the 'records' if not from memory, and although Maeglin was present at Nirnaeth Arnoediad, and would have lead his household, Caranthir has never really seen him, and never knew him as one of the Lords of Gondolin (all the others were with Turgon when he came across the Helcraxë). So he isn't thinking of Maeglin at all.

And: In which story Glorfindel's rebirth is discussed? I've kind of forgot the reason why Glorfindel was allowed to return, when he broke the laws like everyone who went into the void? I image that could create some resentment among the returned?

Now let me see...Magnificat I and II, I believe. Finrod pleaded for his life, and because Finarfin was in good odour with the Valar, they spared Glorfindel, while letting him know that the others who had broken the Laws were in the Void. However, they got a definite nudge from 'outside' to grant him rebirth - from Eru. They sent him like a plague carrier, knowing he would feel bound to warn people that same-sex love did mean banishment to the Void, not the Halls of Mandos. He had to tell Gil-galad and Tindómion.

And wasn't Eärendil a protection against Morgoth? He is supposed to guard the Doors of the Night, together with another one

That's just whimsy. I wrote in Dark Star what Vanimórë learned from Sauron: 'The Void is all around us, Elladan. There is no one entrance, no door of Night. If those whom inhabit the Void are invited into this world, they can come through because, by using another's body, they can exist here again.'

I do have a story bubbling about Eärendil in Magnificat IV, but it won't follow the Silm or any of Tolkien's writings!

Thank-you again, Mangacrack!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: February 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 51: Chapter 51 ~ Nothing Is Over, Nothing Is Ended ~

I think I missed the last chapter, but its events go well with this one.

Of course I like the fractions between the many Finweions and how Fingolfin stood at the center of it. He cannot solve the issue between Turgon and Maeglin by himself, but I adore his asessement that Maeglin woulnd't have betrayed him. It's the most beautiful sentence in this chapter.

Aside from the fact that I hope Turgon will prove himself kind one day (see what you do, making me place hope into a character I usually try so hard to hate), Tuor is a riddle. Idril maybe something different, but he has simlpy outlived his usefullness. Valinor doesn't change, but in Middle Earth I would expect him to clash with people with his ancient believes. He has already.

The development with Eärendil is unexpected, but traceable in its logic. Even if I hope that Finrod will have this conversation with Feanor, simply assuming he knows is dangerous. Seeing an insane Eärendil is something I'm curious about, he meant well and fought bravely in the War of Wrath, still thinks he is doing the people in Middle-Earth a favour most likely. Perhaps because it reminds me of a story, where Eärendil feared he would let Morgoth back in one day, precisely due to the fact he was becoming insane and felt abandoned up there.

You will do it differently, but Eärendil's insanity could one reason how Melkor could return. Despite the Valar's actions, they went through much trouble to lock him out. His return will not be an easy feat and plucking Eärendil from the sky is the first step.

Author's Response: We know Turgon does eventually come to terms with things, as he is at least mentioned in stories in a later timeline, (not much I think, as to be honest he does not interest me hugely, and I only concentrate on characters I love unless they're 'villains') but as for Tuor and Idril, events will play out as they have to for this particular story.

Probably we won't hear of Eärendil's story until the fourth book, but in this 'verse there is no such thing as The Doors of Night; the Void is another dimension, so Eärendil is really doing nothing except perpetrate a legend. Melkor simply cannot find his way out yet because he is without form, and the only ones strong enough to 'take' his spirit would also be able to stop him from doing that. (Except in Dark Blood where he does possess Van's body, and Glorfindel tells him to withdraw his soul so that the body can be slain before Melkor gains too much power - but that part was intended to show that it was possible, and a hint as to how it will happen in the end.

Thank-you, Mangacrack!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: February 16, 2014 Title: Chapter 52: Chapter 52 ~ What I Am ~

In chapters like this I forget that Bainalph and Tindómion are orginal character's. They are so well balanced and integrated into the story, they feel like they are part of the Silmarillion.

Author's Response: I am so glad! Of course I forget, because to me they do fit into this 'verse, but I am glad that other people think they can fit into Middle-earth as well as me! Thank-you!



Title: ~ Fragments of Fate And Fire ~ by Spiced Wine
Rated: Mature [ - ]
Summary:

This will be a collection of fics, commissioned art, and gapfillers to flesh out events within my Dark Prince/Magnificat 'verse.
All will mesh with I Will Lead And Thou Shalt Follow, the pre-Third Age chapters of Dark Prince and Magnificat of the Damned.


They will not necessarily be in chronological order.




Category: Fiction
Characters: Balrog, Celegorm, Fëanor, Finarfin, Fingolfin, Fingon, Finrod, Gil-galad, Glorfindel, Ingwë, Maedhros, Maglor, Melkor/Morgoth, OMC, Sauron
Content: Angst, AU, Drama, Erotica, Incest, Rape/Non-con, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 19 | Completed: No | Word count: 29947 | Read count: 52495

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Published: July 05, 2011 | Updated: May 21, 2016


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: November 17, 2013 Title: Chapter 11: Chapter 11 ~ Never Again ~

I freely admit that I adore Fingon. His love for Maedhros (slash or otherwise) often feels glorified. Here I finally get the feeling that it wasn't was easy, as it was always made out to be. In Maedhros life Fingon's death was one of many tragedies, but overall he had it (a bit) easier, because he always had his brother's support. Fingon struggled while his family slowly drifted and then fell apart. At loving someone, who is so loyal (first his father, than his brothers and only than his lover) is difficult at best. Bridging a gap in dark times like the First Age a highly respectable feat, especially when many hearts are filled with prejudge.

This is a great character introspection.

Author's Response: Here I finally get the feeling that it wasn't was easy, as it was always made out to be.
I don't think it would have been easy, no. As you say, Fingon's life seems to me to have been a struggle. This is my own belief, but Fingolfin's family does, as you say, seem to have fallen apart, whereas Maedhros' did always have his brothers. Fingon's life does seem to have been more lonely, at least in Middle-earth. I have that feeling of loneliness for Fingolfin, Fingon and Gil-galad.
Thank-you for commenting, Mangacrack. :)



Title: Long Live The King by Laurelin
Rated: Teen [ - ]
Summary: Oropher, Elvenking of the Greenwood, is mortally wounded during the War of the Last Alliance. All hope now rests on the shoulders of his son. Can Thranduil rise to the occasion and be the leader his men desperately need? Shortfic, taking place in the Pilgrim universe (no spoilers though!).
Category: Fiction
Characters: Elrond, Gil-galad, OMC, Oropher, Thranduil
Content: Angst, Character Death, Gen, Vignette
Challenge: None
Series: Pilgrim
Chapters: 3 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 4379 | Read count: 5833

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July 18, 2011 | Updated: December 20, 2012


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: October 02, 2012 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1

I was weeping the entire time ;_;
Poor Thranduil.

I lobe the way you portrayed the emotions.

Author's Response: Aw, I'm sorry I made you cry, but I'll take it as a compliment. :) Thanks for your comment. I am quite fond of this little story.



Title: Choices by Alquien
Rated: Teen [ - ]
Summary: Some choices can only be made with outside help.
Category: Fiction
Characters: Celeborn, Celebrían, Elrond, Galadriel, Galion, Gil-galad, Glorfindel, Haldir, Oropher, Thranduil
Content: Humor, Romance
Challenge: None
Series: None
Chapters: 1 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 2363 | Read count: 2308

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Published: March 01, 2012 | Updated: March 01, 2012


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: November 16, 2012 Title: Chapter 1: Chapter 1

Let me tell you, I adore this story. I believe it summarizes the problems of the elvish socity incredibly well. It can not be easy, deciding who to marry when the desicion is nearly irrevocable. But my personal love goes to Celebrian's hesitiation regarding Elrond, because he has been raised by Feanorian's. It implys who difficult Elronds life must have been (or is) at some points.

You have written a great story!



Title: The Price of Memory by Encairion
Rated: Mature [ - ]
Summary:

Sequel to The Price of Duty.  The continuation of Erestor and Lindir's tale into the Second and Third Age, and the beginning of a woman's from the deep South of Middle-earth who was sold into slavery and taken North.


Category: Fiction
Characters: Aragorn, Elladan, Elrohir, Elrond, Erestor, Gimli, Glorfindel, Legolas, Lindir, Maglor, OFC, OMC, Thranduil
Content: Angst, AU, Character Death, Drama, Dubcon, Explicit Sex, Het, Rape/Non-con, Romance, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: The Price of Eternity
Chapters: 28 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 141357 | Read count: 40683

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Published: May 02, 2012 | Updated: November 21, 2015


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: September 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 12: Chapter 12

I admit I skipped parts of the first chapters, because it was a lot to take in from a new character. Tamar's story got easier to follow in the later chapters, when she started interacting with known people.

For the rest, I think it's good that you rewrote the story. It's less confusing now and greatly enjoy Erestor & Lindir struggling over Noldor / Sindar differences. And all the difficulties and the prejudge they meet over the time. Predicably Glorfindel revealing his heritage was the greatest moment so far. My heart fluttered a bit.

What I also like is your describtions of the twins: wild and a bit unrealiable. It fits better into their character, their are not as responsible as their father (not yet).

Now I promise that I will (try to) follow you updates better. If I'm not cursed with traveling for work and being without a internet connection, but we will see each other again, I promise.

Author's Response:

Thank you for reviewing and giving this story a go :)  I know OC’s can sometimes be a bore when we’re reading fan fiction for the characters we already love, goodness knows I’ve sometimes found myself reading stories where I skipped over OC’s parts!  But I am glad to hear things got more enjoyable when the story line headed back into known characters.  I myself didn’t realize how much time we would spend in the Eastern lands of ME, scenes just kept popping into my head and I found the Easterlings a fascinating people to explore.

“Predicably Glorfindel revealing his heritage was the greatest moment so far. My heart fluttered a bit.”

Oh gosh, I loved writing that scene!  I am so thrilled you liked it :D

“Now I promise that I will (try to) follow you updates better. If I'm not cursed with traveling for work and being without a internet connection, but we will see each other again, I promise.”

I wish you luck and safety on all your travels :hugs:  I know life can get in the way.  I hope you have a chance to enjoy the story, but the updates will probably be slower than they once were as it is.  Thank you again for the review!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: November 16, 2014 Title: Chapter 19: Chapter 19

I love the twins so much and I greatly agree with this version of them. Especially since we also get to see what kind of effect Aragorn had on them. He gets downplaed far too often when elves are the maincharacter.

And I can't help but to compare the twins to Maedhros and Maglor. I wonder what kind of effect their grandfather(s) had on their choice. In my head they came very, very close to swearing on oath (something like "Get rid of all orc's" etc) but hestiated due to Elrond's tales. As for their choice, as long as there are Orc's to hunt, they would never lean towards mortality.

Poor Elrond, to think that orc's ensure the existence of his sons.

Author's Response:

I’m thrilled you liked the twins!  They were fun to write, but painful too with all the pain dwelling in the back of their actions.  Yes, I agree with you about Aragorn, he did have a huge influence over their lives; they must have loved him immensely to never harbor bitterness against him for winning Arwen’s heart.

They have that Finwëion fire in them for sure, and yes, I can see Maedhros and Maglor in them too, the way they were in the end with nothing but their Oath and each other left.

Poor Elrond indeed.  Guy just can’t get a break.  He chooses immortality and then lives long enough to lose everything (well, at this moment in time, I like to hope things get better for poor sad Elrond :(

Thank you so much the review!  It wonderful to hear you’re still enjoying the story :hugs:



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: August 31, 2015 Title: Chapter 26: Chapter 26

Oh I love the development of Maglor and Glorfindel returning to Imladris. It's nice. I know I should focus on Erestor, Lindir and Tamar but yet the only thought I have is "Elladan and Elrohir are meeting their grandfather."

Well, I should focus on other things. Why Tamar is so fearful of the outside world for instance. But I'll reread the story anyway. My last review is around chapter 12 (?) so I properly missed (?!?!?) a few updates or don't properly remember.

So I can only go in the last three chapters who want me to have Maglor and Lindir in a conversation at least. But Maglor is so happy right now and Lindir is still ... scared, I guess. though it pains me he still thinks Erestor as Noldor in this chapter. I thought he was beyond this?



Author's Response:

“I know I should focus on Erestor, Lindir and Tamar but yet the only thought I have is "Elladan and Elrohir are meeting their grandfather."

Well seeing as how I couldn’t leave Maglor or Glorfindel out myself, it’s all for the good, those two just steal the spotlight, don’t they :)  Yes, Elladan and Elrohir get to meet Maglor, and I think it will be a dammed good thing for those two if they just stop running long enough to listen to what he has to say.  Talk about someone who knows a thing of two about guilt and revenge and seeing someone you love be tortured!

“Well, I should focus on other things. Why Tamar is so fearful of the outside world for instance. But I'll reread the story anyway. My last review is around chapter 12 (?) so I properly missed (?!?!?) a few updates or don't properly remember.”

Hahaha, don’t worry, you know I get behind in reading myself, I appreciate that you came over for a read and review :hugs:

“and Lindir is still ... scared, I guess. though it pains me he still thinks Erestor as Noldor in this chapter. I thought he was beyond this?”

I may have written that part badly.  I don’t think Lindir does see Erestor as a Noldo still, rather, he was thinking about the fact that he didn’t…I shall go back and reread what I wrote, it was probably badly worded, sorry!  He does still have issues with Maglor though because Maglor isn’t just a Noldo, he’s one of the Feanorions.  Erestor is as well, but Lindir doesn’t see him as a symbol of oppression like he does Maglor.  But I think, with some time, Lindir will be able to live beside Maglor.  It was half the shock of it all that sent him into a panic attack.

Thank you so much for reading and reviewing :hugs:



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: November 22, 2015 Title: Chapter 28: Chapter 28

I'll let you kno that I had absolutly ZERO motivation to write. Nothing. On the single day I'm not wrapped up with work. So i came here for a distraction. And voila, you work wonders again.

Or namely, Elrohir. I could go on about him for hours but I will safe that for another time. Because knowing that "Price of Memory" is know complete I'm still left to wonder how will Erestor and Lindir far in the future. The fic ended at a point where they're happy but I see them clash pretty often in the future.

Otherwise ... you keep teasing me with Maglor and Glorfindel. The way this is going I'll have to write my own fic to satify a mighty need.



Author's Response:

“I'll let you kno that I had absolutly ZERO motivation to write. Nothing. On the single day I'm not wrapped up with work. So i came here for a distraction. And voila, you work wonders again.”

Yes!  I am so happy it could give you a little nudge :)  Reading is often the best thing to get the gears working, but I know what you mean about how terrible it is to have a day off work and then not feel any spark towards writing.  I have a terrible habit of beating myself up over wasting prime time!

“I'm still left to wonder how will Erestor and Lindir far in the future. The fic ended at a point where they're happy but I see them clash pretty often in the future.”

Oh yes, you are so right!  Lindir is still Lindir, will all his issues (and he’s back off to the heart of the Noldor again with Maglor living there now too!  That is not going to be easy), and Erestor is still Erestor with all his self-doubts and regrets (though he’s gotten better at not hating himself over the years, but he’s far from loving himself).  They have a lot to work through, both of them not quite convinced the other is still going to love them a century down the road one of the major ones!

“Otherwise ... you keep teasing me with Maglor and Glorfindel. The way this is going I'll have to write my own fic to satify a mighty need.”

I have been a terrible tease with these two, sorry!  Yes, please on a fic from you about these two!  Yum!  It would be fascinating to see what you did with them :D

Thank you so much for the review!  (I am still over here waiting in breathless anticipation for your upcoming story :vibrates with excitement:)



Title: The Price of Duty by Encairion
Rated: Mature [ - ]
Summary: Feature

The story of Erestor's life in the service of the sons of Fëanor. He grew up in the shadow of the Oath, became a Kinslayer at Doriath, and struggled to survive within a blood-stained people whose pride ran as deep as the curse binding them, and the despair they denied as they fought to reclaim jewels they worshiped as their salvation and gods.


Category: Fiction
Characters: Celebrimbor, Elrond, Elros, Erestor, Eärendil, Gil-galad, Glorfindel, Irimë, Lindir, Maedhros, Maglor, OFC, OMC
Content: Angst, Character Death, Drama, Dubcon, Explicit Sex, Femmeslash, Het, Incest, Rape/Non-con, Slash
Challenge: None
Series: The Price of Eternity
Chapters: 30 | Completed: Yes | Word count: 169375 | Read count: 42311

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Published: May 04, 2012 | Updated: August 31, 2014


Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: February 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 14: Chapter 14

Erestor is a character I have often a hard time to connect with. His backgroundstory is varied and only something of convenience for many. Here he has more personality and more development to look upon. I like how he was a rather innocent child once, who has completely changed now.
Especially the last part with Mórivo makes him real, because he may have been a victim once, but time has passed since then. Aside from this I think I like it best that many Lords swore to follow Feanor in the the Dark. It's hard to believe only he and his seven sons would end up there, when he was such an inspiring person. Besides I'm a sucker for loyal friends / servants, who are willing to sully themselves to remain faithfull to their oath.

Author's Response:

Erestor is practically an OC, because, like you said, we know nothing about him.  I’ve read a ton of different backgrounds for him too, Gondolin probably being the most common, or him coming from Eregion.  I am pleased to hear you’re able to form a connection with his character, despite having little interested in him before :D

“Especially the last part with Mórivo makes him real, because he may have been a victim once, but time has passed since then.”

Yes, it has come full circle now.  He’s not preying on children, but his innocence is gone, and at this point he’s defiantly living for revenge.

“Aside from this I think I like it best that many Lords swore to follow Fëanor in the Dark. It's hard to believe only he and his seven sons would end up there, when he was such an inspiring person. Besides I'm a sucker for loyal friends / servants, who are willing to sully themselves to remain faithfull to their oath.”

I think some of their lords must have sworn.  The atmosphere in Tirion that day must have been the most charged and powerful of any in probably the history of Arda!  That the Fëanorion’s lords would leap up to their king’s side is a scene easy to imagine.

I am so happy to see you’re reading this and enjoy it!  Thank you so much for the review :hugs:



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 15: Chapter 15

I am sorry that I didn't immediately review when you put up the chapters, but I didn't have the time to read them at once. Now I am glad I finally did, because holy hell, i need more of this.

The implications about Morvio are great, because there is the factor of the age difference and an adult laying with a child. It's hard to get a Fandom opinion in this, because it's fine when they are all off age. But how do elves see the thing with an "informed decision"? The age gap exists between the Noldor and the Elves of Endor to begin with. Taking it further: is there a line, when there are centuries or an entire age to bridge? I guess I can now the need for ceremonial's and rituals in the Silvan's culture (thinking back to Maeglin).

What I also squealed about is Celebrimbor returning to the Feanorian Host. I guess it would make sense, because he isn't really safe anywhere else.
*thoughts automatically travel down to Sirion and the twins*
But it also means he will have a long standing history with Erestor (and Elrond?) in the Second Age.

Author's Response:

Wow!  Thank you so much for these lovely reviews, and please don’t apologize for taking a few days to sit down and read, we all get busy, and it’s a gift any review you give whatever the span of time :D  And this is such a treasure because I’ve been lacking motivation lately for writing (you can probably tell from the lack of recent updates) and your lovely words have acted like a kick in the behind! 

“Taking it further: is there a line, when there are centuries or an entire age to bridge? I guess I can now the need for ceremonial's and rituals in the Silvan's culture (thinking back to Maeglin).”

This is a really good point.  I think it probably depends on the society, like with Maeglin, I don’t think the Wolf Clan was as strict about things like this. I don’t think they had a definite age they drew the line.  Some of this might be because they work up to their coming of age through the course of trials, like what Maeglin had to under-go, so they were progressively earning their majority and it didn’t just come upon them with a certain age. 

The Noldor I think were defiantly the strictest (as they were in all things sexual).  And while Erestor didn’t have a huge problem with it, I think this was because, as with most things that aren’t considered socially acceptable, if you have a personal experience with it (like he had with Lalauro), the its easier to see the rules bent, and see the age line as flexible and dependant on the person rather than an overarching rule.  Maedhros however, had to uphold the laws in a general sense, because even if there had been not even the slightest hint of coercion between Mórivo and the youth, that would have been incredibly hard to prove, and with the age distance, the risk of coercion or manipulation is just too great a risk and Maedhros would always chose to uphold the general law rather then look on it as a case-by-case basis.

As far as the Age long difference of age, or one of centuries goes, I think it wouldn’t matter to Elves as long as the partners were both of maturity.  Maybe some eyebrows would be raised, like with our society when a 50 years old marries a 20 year old, but it’s not illegal or anything.  And once you reach a certain amount of years, does a few more thousand years in your partner really make that much difference?  I think what was experienced in those years would be far more defining.  You can be a hundred and have lived through more than an Elf who was born in the time of the Trees and never left Valinor.

But it also means he will have a long standing history with Erestor (and Elrond?) in the Second Age.”

Yes, Celebrimbor will know them before the SA, though I don’t think he would have been close yet.  We’ll see him again in a few more chapters, but Celebrimbor is a pretty reserved guy, it takes a while to get through his shells.



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 16: Chapter 16

*reads the first line*

You are writing the battle of Sirion! I knew there's a reason I loved you. Not only you delve into the part most author's skip (because they don't want that their beloved Feanorian's to plan another kinslaying for days and months), you know how to pace a story. I was prepared to read more chapters based on Erestor's disheveled state of mind, but I admit I was burning to see what happens in Sirion, because it's next big event.

It still makes me a little squeamish to see (sense?) Maedhros smile like this. It reminds me that you can't live through the End of the First Age as the greatest war lord with your sanity intact. And yet he spares the few sane Noldor, who are leaving Sirion. Praise you for writing this, by the way. Sirion was filled with refuges and there must have been some riddled with common sense, a bit knowledge of history or just enough survival instinct not to get caught up in this.

And points to your writing skills that Feanor's name still invokes shivers at this point and hasn't been reduced to a daily curse.

The blood-lust doesn't even surprise me at this point. Killing gets easier with practice and the Feanorian's have at war ever since Finwe's blood sullied the grounds of Formenos. It's a passive addiction, a dependance they aren't even aware of. Their lives are so drenched in misery and blood, it's just hopeless. At least it gives them the strength to tear their desires from their foes (if it hadn't been for Elwing). Perhaps because they can distinguish between "fighting" and "killing someone". The elves in Sirion are not people anymore, just obstacles like orcs or a spiked fence.

But: Did you mean random or ransom when you wrote: “Those are the twin sons of Elwing. Lord Maedhros has taken them for random. Their mother, Elwing, chose the jewel over them.”
Both would make sense. Even Maedhros raising elven children at random.

But there's nothing random in Elros and Elrond's choice. They are obviously old enough to see how their mother didn't love them or how they can't remember Eärendils face. Elwing cannot be real to them if they were tended by faceless nurses - short tribute to the fact that Erestor is this nurse sometimes, in other fic's. But I like your history for him far better, since here he is an active participant. Living with Maglor and receiving (some of) his love must feel like an actual parent-bond. If they are capable of it, in your fic's? I like the idea of elven parents being liked to their children or family members in general. It gives "marriage bond for children" part a certain kind of sense.

Anyway, I'm inclined to say: Elrond - Healing Elves since Y. 534
Tendencies are showing early.

Author's Response:

Not only you delve into the part most author's skip (because they don't want that their beloved Feanorian's to plan another kinslaying for days and months), you know how to pace a story. I was prepared to read more chapters based on Erestor's disheveled state of mind, but I admit I was burning to see what happens in Sirion, because it's next big event.”

I admit there’s a limit to the angst even I can deal with and chapters of Erestor in that dark place would have just been too much lol!  He’s by no means in a healthy state of mind (in fact he won’t ever achieve that in this story), but its more subdue now, a lingering in the back of his mind that only pops up at times for us to see.  You’ll be reading a lot about other people, other relationships now that he sees from the sidelines because that’s a reflection of what his life has become.  He’s living through the twins, so his life and thoughts revolve around them.

I know what you mean about the Kinslayings getting skipped over.  I think it’s easy to try and ignore them or justify the Fëanorion’s’ actions (I’ve done it myself), and yes, they have legitimate reasons for taking war to Sirion and Doriath (and its war in my head not a slaughter of pure innocents or a surprise raid), but the fact remains that they killed a ton of people and a lot of those people had to have been civilians. 

Erestor has huge guilt because of this, but to me, it’s completely understandable because he did kill people, and that’s not something that someone should get over quickly.  He has a legitimate reason to be bowed by shame after Sirion (at least I think he does, but hey, maybe that’s just me :D )

The blood-lust doesn't even surprise me at this point. Killing gets easier with practice…The elves in Sirion are not people anymore, just obstacles like orcs or a spiked fence.”

This is a good point you made about the Elves of Sirion not being people in their heads anymore.  I think it’s one of the keys to how people can bring themselves to kill other people: the de-humanization of the enemy.  We can see it all through history in propaganda.  It’s drilled into soldier’ heads, and it’s one of the reasons slurs are tossed so easily about like ‘sand-nigger’ or ‘Charlie.’  I think the army of the Fëanorions would not only have been tossing the term Moriquendi around before the battle, they would have been reciting all the reasons Sirion (and Doriath before it) were justified.  Just like Erestor did.  Erestor reached a breaking point when he could no longer lie to himself, and he saw the people he was killing as human beings again, and all the justifications came tumbling down.  

Did you mean random or ransom when you wrote”

Shoot, sorry!  I meant ransom!  Thanks for pointing this out :runs off it edit:

Elwing cannot be real to them if they were tended by faceless nurses - short tribute to the fact that Erestor is this nurse sometimes, in other fic's.”

I can’t see Erestor as anything other than a Noldo.  I haven’t read a fic where he was one of their nurses before, but that does sound interesting.  Most of the stories I’ve see give him a history from Gondolin or Hollin.  And then their Ziggy’s wonderful work where she gives us hints of Erestor’s history in the service of the Fëanorions too! 

Elrond - Healing Elves since Y. 534”

I laughed so hard at this!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 17: Chapter 17

How sad it is that they must return to Doriath? It makes sense, because the woods couldn't have remained empty after the kingdom fell. It's too big to stay a memorial, especially if it sustains desperate people- Given how dark the days were and how much Morgoth had already taken at this point, I support this decision.

But of course you must shatter my heart again by sending the twins away. I see the sense behind it and the lines drawn in sand, but I can wish that one day it will be enough between Elrond and Maglor. The differences with Elros are big enough, he seems to grow into his own person, the King who will create Numenor. It shines through already, but Elrond is still so innocent, help me please.

And to Elros: “You won’t be able to carry the forge tools, but take your finished works. I’ve picked out some pieces of ours for the both of you.”

Did you just...? *jaw and heart drops into a groundless chasm* Well, it makes sense. There's nothing left. At first I though Elros had grown like a man and worked in the forge, but for Maglor to give away the last remembering of his family. it takes a lot. I hope Elrond and Elros will appreciate this one day, but since Elrond becomes a Loremaster, I guess he does.
Oh, so he did work in the forge? It makes sense, for the Feanorian's to pass a useful skill along. Especially if Maglor is last to do some quality groundwork, even if is no master. At least not, when compared to his father.

Maglor's state of mind is a good thing to include, because it gives some point for reference, when he will leave later. His exclamation: "There's no life in Valinor" (notable to lack of 'for me') says everything. Even the last act of disbanding their host makes sense. It leaves more surviving Feanorian's for the Second Age than I hoped.

I just wish that the remaining Sons of Feanor will see Morgoth fall. I can't hope for them to be responsible for a critical help in this war, but they can be there/b> when the Valar force him to kneel. And perhaps Elros could make up his mind? I know, logically that it will take his entire life to understand, but at this moment he is so young and hurtful towards Maglor.

*gathers strength for the next chapter*

Author's Response:

The differences with Elros are big enough, he seems to grow into his own person, the King who will create Numenor. It shines through already, but Elrond is still so innocent, help me please.”

Yes, Elros will get their eventually, but he still has a lot of issues to overcome.  But right now I see the twins’ age as in their mid-teens (like 14), and Elros’ actions especially reflect the turbulence of these years, while Elrond still clings to the innocence of childhood a bit longer.

“Did you just...? *jaw and heart drops into a groundless chasm* Well, it makes sense. There's nothing left. At first I though Elros had grown like a man and worked in the forge, but for Maglor to give away the last remembering of his family. it takes a lot. I hope Elrond and Elros will appreciate this one day, but since Elrond becomes a Loremaster, I guess he does.”

Ah, well, I don’t think Maglor and Maedhros, despite having little to look forward to in life, gave the twins everything they had left of their family, but a few pieces, yes.  The twins were really the only legacy they had now (I am sure Celebrimbor has a few of his own pieces too).  And yes, I think the twins defiantly treasured them.

Even the last act of disbanding their host makes sense.  It leaves more surviving Feanorian's for the Second Age than I hoped.”

I am glad it makes sense.  There’s so much going on here, that sometimes I fear I fly through things, or jump to conclusions and the getting there leaves reader’s scratching their heads lol!  But yes, some Feanorions are still around for Celebrimbor to build his city in Hollin with :D

And perhaps Elros could make up his mind? I know, logically that it will take his entire life to understand, but at this moment he is so young and hurtful towards Maglor.”

I can’t say I blame Elros for his behavior so far (but that’s just me).  He’s so young still, and we all lash out in anger and hurt in those years and make mistakes.  But given their traumatic upbringing it’s a wonder Elrond is as well adjusted as he is.  I mean, Maglor loved them, but he also kidnapped them, and I think Elros still remembers the night they were taken.  Plus Maglor isn’t in a mental state to be an ideal parent or even decent one at this point.  He loves the twins and did his best by them, but he and Maedhros are swinging very close to the edge now and the height of their breaking: Maedhros killing himself and Maglor spending a time driven mad with grief (though I like the way you write him, that he doesn’t remain in that state for Ages of the world).

*gathers strength for the next chapter*”

Sorry!  I don’t know if this is a terrible thing that you need to do this or a wonderful thing!  I just love tormenting everyone too much I guess lol!



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 18: Chapter 18

Finally a chapter of delight. I feel with Erestor that he has to look after the boys. It will be his job for the rest of his life, probably. Even if they all deserve a break. Catching up with the simply pleasures of life, after the years behind them.

But it cannot last, can it? I should have been expecting difficulties for the remaining Feanorians and those branded with that name. With so many people, they are the last to be fed. The conversation shows much about politics again and how time passes differently for people. To say to an exile Noldor the Kinslaying on Alqualonde is still fresh in mind must sound like a petty remark from the past. Even if it's true for Teleri.

Yet I dearly hope that the Exiles get to fight, or else I will call the Valar deranged.

Seeing Morvio again is a pleasant surprise, but he does have the side-effect to show how else fate has been effecting lifes.

Author's Response:

It will be his job for the rest of his life, probably.”

Oh yes, especially at this point.  He’s taken up guarding them as his duty, and you know how he lives for his duty lol!  But seriously, they are pretty much the only reason he’s still enduring since he’s got nothing left to live for in his own life.

To say to an exile Noldor the Kinslaying on Alqualonde is still fresh in mind must sound like a petty remark from the past. Even if it's true for Teleri.”

This is such a good point, thank you!  Yes, for the Teleri in Aman the Kinslaying was the defining moment of the last Age.  They have faced no other war, no other deaths, so of course they wouldn’t have moved passed it.  Unlike with the Exiled Noldor, they don’t have all these other horrific events (and uniting joys and battles) to overshadow that horror.

“Yet I dearly hope that the Exiles get to fight, or else I will call the Valar deranged.”

The Valar are deranged :snorts:  But seriously, I am almost 100% sure that it’s cannon that the Valar forbid the Exiles from participating in the War of Wrath.  I do know for sure that the Aman Teleri never got off their ships.  I think the Valar were as controlling as ever, and would have done their best to see their rulings upheld (they couldn’t control a small band of Fëanorion warriors, but a large army marched North by Gil-galad would have been easier to prevent).



Reviewer: mangacrack Signed
Date: March 08, 2014 Title: Chapter 19: Chapter 19

Last chapter for now and your stories are a dwell of inspiration - like always. Bringing up the education of Elros and Elrond is an important fact that I forgot until now. It explains how Gil-galad could have such a huge impact on their lives, when they found the love of a family in Maglor's arms. There wasn't enough time or resources for a proper education.

Educating is also the encounter with a mortal men. So far Elrond and Elros have been living with Elves. From the Feanorian stock, you can't get more immortal (in a sense of the spirit living on and showing through the shadow of death) than this. Just the confusion about having a good is mind-numbing. I can't even blame it all on Maglor and Maedhros, Elwing didn't give them a better life either, even if Maglor tries doing so by sending them away.

Moving on, the description when they are entering the hall is beautiful and show much of the difference in Elvish society. It's a wonder Feanor ever made them agree to leave Valinor in the first place, because the gap between Noldorin fractions hasn't changed over time - just hardened.

The crown on the other hand is another subject that makes me curious. It's the sign of legitimacy. Feanor forged it and it's meant for the Highking. Even if I have no idea how Turgon got his hands on it. Did it magically appear on his hand? Did Lady Fuilme surrender it? I guess in the book they forged a new one, but here? It would mean there's less thrive for the throne in them than in others. *has strange thoughts of Curufin intercepting the crown to get Kingship into his family again, but that's just my imagination running wild*

I guess it it will be enough for my "Game of Thrones"-influenced mind that Erestor defends Maedhros so eagerly. Reading on, it's justified I guess. At least at this point, when there's still Maedhros dominating every image of regality.

But Gil-galads arrogance doesn't help. Not his fault, I image. It's the lack of adversaries that spoil him. Elrond and Elros will be a good experience for him. And shouldn't there be Finarfin running around somewhere?

Author's Response:

“The description when they are entering the hall is beautiful and show much of the difference in Elvish society. It's a wonder Feanor ever made them agree to leave Valinor in the first place, because the gap between Noldorin fractions hasn't changed over time - just hardened.”

I am glad you liked it!  I’m really enjoying writing Balar because of all the different cultures coming together.  There would be so many political strains, and yes, it truly is a wonder Fëanor could have overcome them, and it also leaves me in awe of Gil-galad as a king.  He must have been one hell of a ruler to have held all these people together, kept good relations with different races with all these fracture lines running beneath the surface, and all on this little scrap of land!

“Even if I have no idea how Turgon got his hands on it. Did it magically appear on his hand? Did Lady Fuilme surrender it?”

Ouch, you caught me!  I have no idea how Turgon got the crown or Gil-galad after him :cringes:  I didn’t think about it until this moment.  But if I had to guess I’d say it was a delivery via Eagle for Turgon (I can’t see Fingon ridding into battle with the thing on, he’s way to practical of a guy for that), or else some of Fingon’s people had it and turned it over in the retreat?  As for how it survived the fall of Gondolin, well, I think Turgon knew he was going to die when he refused to leave his tower, and at least had the thought to have someone get the crown to Idril before he decided on suicide. 

“*has strange thoughts of Curufin intercepting the crown to get Kingship into his family again, but that's just my imagination running wild*”

Lol that would have been awesome!  I could totally see Curufin plotting that :grins:

“But Gil-galads arrogance doesn't help. Not his fault, I image. It's the lack of adversaries that spoil him. Elrond and Elros will be a good experience for him.”

We are seeing Gil-galad through Erestor’s eyes, and I’ve got to say, Erestor has some serious biases against anyone but Maedhros who claims the High Kingship, so the lens we are seeing Gil-galad through it a tinted one, and not a favorable one at all (though if this changes I will leave for you to discover :D ).  But you make a good point about Gil-galad having no adversaries as yet.  He didn’t get the chance to grow up around the great leaders of the Noldor, but more than this, he was also thrust into the Kingship at a ridiculously young age (both his parents were Aman-born because remember, his mother is actually Galadriel though he doesn’t know it). 

I know, it’s unfair of me to make all these hints at things when you don’t have the full picture of Gil-galad’s character in this story!  Sorry.  I am evil.  Forgive me.

 “And shouldn't there be Finarfin running around somewhere?”

:rubs hands together:  Yes!  I can’t wait to write him since I’ve got him planned :grins:  Again, I think the Valar would have been trying to control a lot of stuff in this war, and keeping the Aman Elves away from the ‘rebellious’ influence of the Exiles would have been one of these things they aimed to do.  But Finarfin is defiantly here, and we will see him in future chapters :D

I cannot thank you enough for these lovely, lovely reviews.  You have made my day a thousand times over ::hugs::