You know, I usually don’t pay a lot of attention to Gil for some reason, but he really stuck out to me this chapter. I loved Van’s interaction with the child, but it was heartbreaking to read. Van would have made a wonderful father :tears:
I kind of wanted Sauron to notice Gil more, maybe think something when he saw Gil in Van’s lap, but that probably would have been out-of-character (it only works in my new head-cannon for your Sauron where he feels more then he actually does for Van lol!) OK, I just had this really awful image-flash of Sauron as a grandpa :face plant: I need to control my crazy imagination lol!
So anyway, I think Sauron should be taking some notes on Van’s evaluation of his fall, and what Van says Suaron should have done. And if Van wouldn’t have refused him utterly, he should really consider making Van his advisor next time around (that would have turned out much better for Sauron I think, but then, Van never would have agreed).
I wonder if Van will remember this when he figures out who Osulf is: “A son to be proud of, though I doubt he will ever see it that way.”
But I can’t get carried away and forget all the unforgivable things Sauron has done to Van. I know Van won’t be forgetting.
Author's Response: You know, I usually don’t pay a lot of attention to Gil for some reason, but he really stuck out to me this chapter. I loved Van’s interaction with the child, but it was heartbreaking to read. Van would have made a wonderful father :tears:
I never pay much attention to Gîl either! He's a child, and I tend not to write them much, as I don't have any to use for reference! XD When he gets older will be the time I start writing more into him, I am sure.
I do agree Van would have made a wonderful father, and I suppose in Dark Prince he got as close as he would ever get by raising Elgalad. I don't count Fëanor in Dark God as Van never raised him and hardly saw him until he was older.
I kind of wanted Sauron to notice Gil more, maybe think something when he saw Gil in Van’s lap, but that probably would have been out-of-character (it only works in my new head-cannon for your Sauron where he feels more then he actually does for Van lol!)
Well, I couldn't think of Sauron being 'moved' by seeing Gîl because he never dandled Van on his knee!so there was nothing to remember, no connection. But I know what you mean.
I think Sauron should be taking some notes on Van’s evaluation of his fall, and what Van says Suaron should have done. And if Van wouldn’t have refused him utterly, he should really consider making Van his advisor next time around (that would have turned out much better for Sauron I think, but then, Van never would have agreed).
Van did warn him about the One Ring, in Magnififcat I, I believe, but Sauron had his reasons and thought it would work. I think he likes Van to know his place, so even while being proud of him, wants him leashed and to take orders. Part of that is a touch of rivalry, I would say, as Sauron knows how dangerous Van could be if he were not constantly 'managed', so he plays him, but won't have him think he is in any way an equal. I expect he'll think about Van's words, even if he dismisses them, having his own plans.
Thank-you so much for your review - what a nice surprise! :)
I’m going to say something completing out there and I have no idea why I am saying this but: I kind of like Sauron in this story. :shifty eyes:
Yep, can’t really defend that one :grins: He’s just…I don’t know, really ambitious, and I like his introspective on Van? Yeah, pretty lame reasons, but its there.
I don’t even like ambitious people usually (ambition can be as much an ugly trait as a good), but for some reason I like his plotting, sharp mind.
“With vicarious pride Sauron saw them fall limbless, headless, and his son broke through the first line, fell on those behind them.”
He’s so proud of Van in his own twisted way. It’s like he took that bond between parent and child and twisted it, but didn’t completely break it, and it led to not only Van never being able to escape him, but Sauron also feeling some really messed-up affection for Van.
“Had I time,” the man said with loud bravado. “I would cut off your hands and feet, Dark Prince, pluck out those eyes, and take you so, crippled and blind, back to Szrel Kain.”
Would you indeed? A dark, pure rage lit Sauron's mind like black lightning. That such offal should speak so of his masterpiece.
And had I the time, and all my powers were returned, I would do the same to you, and chain your soul to your rotting body for a long, long time.”
I read this and can’t help thinking there’s more to Sauron’s story, more motivations hidden within motivations and buried again. He’s such an excellent actor. And yet all this curtly and rage lies beneath the perfect masks he wears and I just can’t help wondering: what was he thinking when Morgoth raped Van that first time? What did he feel when Van cried out to him for help?
I am probably reading way too much in to this, and it’s not like Suaron is a redeemable character after everything he’s done, but, I don’t know, maybe I just want him to be more than a cut and past villain? Maybe I want him to still have the capacity for something more besides just hate and the lust to dominate the world. It’s probably really naïve and overly-romantic of me.
I savor every sentence, every turn of phrase, every vivid imagery in your writing. I know you do not think it, my dear, but you craft some of the most stunning stories I have ever read :hugs:
Author's Response: I’m going to say something completing out there and I have no idea why I am saying this but: I kind of like Sauron in this story. :shifty eyes:
No! How could you?! My heart!
d;-). Lol. I'd never written much from Sauron's POV before this, and didn't really mean to, but it has got me extremely interested in his relationship with Van. We know Van loathes his father, but in some ways, they're so alike. And moreover, they're attracted to one another mentally. I think that's the lynch pin, the real reason Van couldn't escape him until he was actually *gone* - well, for a while at least. And even then, it was hard, because in a really odd way, Sauron defined Van. Much against his will, he was the dark sun Van revolved around. I don't think he would have become what he was without Sauron.
He’s so proud of Van in his own twisted way. It’s like he took that bond between parent and child and twisted it, but didn’t completely break it, and it led to not only Van never being able to escape him, but Sauron also feeling some really messed-up affection for Van.
Yes, absolutely he is proud of his creation.
I read this and can’t help thinking there’s more to Sauron’s story, more motivations hidden within motivations and buried again. He’s such an excellent actor. And yet all this cruelty and rage lies beneath the perfect masks he wears and I just can’t help wondering: what was he thinking when Morgoth raped Van that first time? What did he feel when Van cried out to him for help?
Sauron wasn't called Gorthaur the Cruel for no reason, but in 'persuading' Melkor to let him sire Van, and in his training, and cruelty, he was working to a plan that took far longer than the One Ring. Remember in the Silmarillion where it says that 'Melian had much foresight after the manner of her people' - Sauron was a Maia too, and I believe he had foresight. He knew that one day Melkor would fall, and that he would also return, and with the rage of Ages and the hordes who had like him been banished into the Void - kind of a the Gates of Hell were opened, situation. So while he told Melkor that Van was being formed into a warrior *for* him (Melkor), what he really wanted was some-one to fight *against* Melkor. Whatever he felt for Van had to be buried so far under his persona as Melkor's Lieutenant that Melkor wouldn't even imagine it was there. So Sauron worked Vanimórë as a sword (as it says in Dark Lands) and you don't forge swords without the heat and hammer blows, folding the metal time and again. I will go further into Sauron's mind on this matter, and definitely in the sequel to Magnificat III, as father and son will meet again, in that. But Sauron didn't want Van to be a participant in his 'forging', as Van's hate and defiance was part of the process. The only time his feelings show is the times when their minds 'meet'. Sauron is cleverer than Van, as he's always been more cerebral, and he tells Van very little, but Van is his son and can follow him, which Sauron appreciates - as when they were playing Tar together.
Maybe I want him to still have the capacity for something more besides just hate and the lust to dominate the world.
While I think he did want to rule the world, I don't think his rule would have been anything like Melkor's, but Sauron's story isn't ended yet, so I do hope to get to that in further novels. :)
Thank-you so very much for taking time to review, Encairion!
Here I am, feeling something I never thought I would for this Glorfindel: sympathy. I was reading the part where he has to confront (for the first time) who he’s really become, and I was cringing with him. It’s so hard to face such an ugly truth after running so long, and I actually felt bad for him. You wrote that confrontation between him and Tindómion so well I could taste Tindómion’s sorrow, his furry, his disgust at what Glorfindel had become. It was a very painful thing to read, but so beautiful!
So I have to ask: Is Thranduil fucking insane or is Legolas Elvýr re-born? I am not actually sure which one I am hoping for. The way you described Elvýr sounds so much like the Legolas from lotr’s, that I wonderful if Legolas is Elvýr and by the time the Ring Quest comes around he’s regained all his memories and is this exquisite blend between Elvýr and Legolas (strong and vulnerable). But then I think if Elvýr is Legolas and he remembers his first life, then he would remember his death too, and wouldn’t that pretty much drive him insane? On the other hand again, if Elvýr is Legolas, then I am really looking forward to him remembering and then punching his father in the face for how he’s treated him as Legolas (and this scene would be all the more powerful because Elvýr and Thranduil have a past relationship of love and trust). As you can see, I am cannot decide which way I wish this one will fall; but as I am several chapters behind, you’ve either already written it, or already know the ending :D I am sure I shall enjoy whichever path you choose :D
Wonderful, suspenseful packed chapters as always :D
Author's Response: It’s so hard to face such an ugly truth after running so long, and I actually felt bad for him. You wrote that confrontation between him and Tindómion so well I could taste Tindómion’s sorrow, his furry, his disgust at what Glorfindel had become. It was a very painful thing to read, but so beautiful!
Although Glorfindel has behaved reprehensibly, at least he's beginning to face it now - and that the way he sees himself, and always has, is not how others see him. It would take some-one very different to be unaffected, I think, and at heart Glorfindel is (or was) a noble man. Writing him now will be challenging, but the only way is up!
So I have to ask: Is Thranduil fucking insane or is Legolas Elvýr re-born?
Ha" There's no doubt Thranduil has many issues wrapped up with his grief and guilt surrounding Elvýr. I think he is seeing Elvýr, but whether Legolas is him reborn, we will have to see! Thank-you very much for your lovely review, Ecairion! :)
You know, when you first started writing Bainalph and Thranduiil’s story, I really didn’t like Thranduil; in fact I want to do him a harm, like a serious one :P. And then, over time as you got into his motivations, I started feeling he wasn’t so bad, and I guess I could deal with him and Bainalph being together. But now, now I have come full-circle after reading this, and am actually more on Thranduil’s side then Bainalph’s! How is that possible? I’ll tell you how: you’re an incredible story teller! You redeemed Thranduil completely in my eyes and have me in his cheer-squad :D
I think it was seeing little Bainalph and him interacting that started it, but the more I read, the more I connected. I’ve known the whole time that Elvýr died and how, and that Thranduil had to kill him, but it was like, until these last two chapters I hadn’t really connected all the dots, followed the trail, really thought about what that kind of a scar could do to a person. It’s actually amazing that Thranduil is as functioning as he is. I would expect him to be drowning under bitterness and hate --and he is to a degree—but he’s not incapable of loving. He still cares for his sons (minus Legolas, though I think he loves him too, but has acted monstrously against), and cares for his people. Being forced to kill your own child, watching helplessly as they die in the most agonizing way possible…it’s amazing he’s still so sane.
So, yes, I am now a Thranduil cheer girl. You and your fabulous writing has done this to me, and I hope for the day that he can find a measure of happiness and peace again (though I still think he needs to pay for what he did to Legolas. To me, that’s different from Bainalph and him. Legolas was his son, a child; Thranduil was supposed to love him no matter what, and he hurt Legolas perhaps most of all because he denied Legolas love from the very beginning).
Author's Response: It’s actually amazing that Thranduil is as functioning as he is. I would expect him to be drowning under bitterness and hate --and he is to a degree—but he’s not incapable of loving. He still cares for his sons (minus Legolas, though I think he loves him too, but has acted monstrously against), and cares for his people. Being forced to kill your own child, watching helplessly as they die in the most agonizing way possible…it’s amazing he’s still so sane.
I have always felt this, and it was difficult, I thought, to make people think about how much of a scar Thranduil does bear, as no-one really seemed willing to look at it. It does not, of course, excuse his actions toward Legolas, but does go some way to explaining them. I am so glad that I managed to write it in a way that some people can understand Thranduil. He is shades of grey like many characters, but I find that interesting to explore. Hugs, and thank-you!
This is one of my favourite stories :) to have both your's and Esteliel's characters in one story is fabulous.
Can't wait for all to finally converge and meet, bet that chapter will be exciting to write haha ;) i really hope legolas finally belongs and is loved for who he is and i'd pay to be a fly on the wall for the conversation between Thranduil and Glorfindel, they both need a good slap. please update soon x
Author's Response: Hiya, Caunedhiel, and thank-you.
The chapter will be exhausting to write XD.
There is a long way to go yet with Legolas and who he chooses to be with in in the end.
I am writing my stories on a rota system, so I have a chapter of a different story to write now, I am sorry! Thank-you for reading, and commenting. :)
Oh Glorifindel, you bastard! Gosh but I want to strangle his neck still, as at the same time I relish in the way you’ve written him and hold so true to his character even though reading his utter un-repentance makes me want to cut off his genitals!
Even if a part of him does regret the way he took Legolas, the majority of him does not because he wanted Legolas. And even now he can only think of Legolas in terms of a sex partner (slave) and his broodmare. He wants Legolas because he’s beautiful and sweetly submissive, not because of the gentle beauty of Legolas’ soul.
And yet, for all that I still despise Glorfidnel, I think he’s a wonderful portrayal of the darkening of elves, the marring and twisting of something that was once glorious. He has fallen so far, and in part it is not only his own fault for he has endured some true horrors that led to this moment; though there is always a choice.
In fact, I would love to read something in his past, some event from his perspective that might have started him down this path to get where he is today. There is of course Gondolin’s fall and the many years he’s spent in war, but I’d love to read it if that makes any sense? But of course, this is your story to do with as it leads you; and maybe Glorifndel’s part in it is not one that we are supposed to ever really emphasize with. Maybe there really isn’t anything that can explain how he’s turned into this selfish rapist he is now. There can be no excuse, but maybe there’s not even an understandable reason either…humm…that leaves me thinking… I love that your work leaves me pondering it for days after!
Sauron is so sneaky! He’s done an admirable job slinking into Van’s confidence, and I worry for the men in Van’s party as well. Sauron has always been a talented deceiver, and it would break my heart if he was able to turn some of them against Van with his poisonous words!
As always, your work leaves itself branded in magnificence images to the backs of my eyelids. It’s so rich and vivid. Some exquisite writing here, my dear :D
Author's Response: I think he’s a wonderful portrayal of the darkening of elves, the marring and twisting of something that was once glorious. He has fallen so far, and in part it is not only his own fault for he has endured some true horrors that led to this moment; though there is always a choice.
In fact, I would love to read something in his past, some event from his perspective that might have started him down this path to get where he is today. There is of course Gondolin’s fall and the many years he’s spent in war, but I’d love to read it if that makes any sense?
I think that it is not so much any horrors that Glorfindel has witnessed that has 'darkened' him, but rather the erosion, on Middle-earth of the Elves, and their passing that has more to do with it. There may have been certain things he saw during the wars of Eregion, which I have not dealt with yet. I think he came back to Middle-earth when there was still greatness (in my 'verse it's 1000 SA) and Gil-galad's Lindon was glorious, but gradually it's all fallen. And in this crossover, much of Glorfindel's darkness seems to have grown with the war against Mirkwood, the fact that if Imladrian warriors are captured they're ill-treated, just as Legolas is ill-treated by Glorfindel. His rape of Legolas in Ethuil'waew was really due to rage that he had seen some of his men caught and raped, but because his mission was secret, he could do nothing. Of course, taking out that rage on a helpless youth was reprehensible, but unfortunately war does bring out the beast in people :(
Thank-you so much for reviewing, Encairion! I do appreciate it!
I have been away for a while, so I had missed reviewing this chapter, which is both heartbreaking and heroic. Suddenly Legolas, in the pursuit of his son, becomes the exemplar of what every parent should be and (clearly, even in this story, with its several abandoned and abused sons grown up) often is not. Legolas shows here that it's not about how strong you are, or wise you are, or brave you are: it's how much you love and are willing to do for love. He does not need Maglor, nor Glorfindel, nor Van, nor even Thranduil to tell him that now. Whatever happens after this, Legolas will no longer be a pawn: he is a power (though not a Power, lol!) to be reckoned with.
Author's Response: Hi, Ebbingnight. Thank-you for reviewing!
Legolas shows here that it's not about how strong you are, or wise you are, or brave you are: it's how much you love and are willing to do for love.
I am so pleased that comes across, as I was trying to show that.
Whatever happens after this, Legolas will no longer be a pawn: he is a power (though not a Power, lol!) to be reckoned with
he does not know that yet, but it is true.
Oh Thranduil! I am actually cheering for him to patch things up with Legolas, though really, he needs to get on his knees and beg before Leoglas should forgive him, but then, Legolas is a very forgiving person and will probably accept his father back in his life without Thranduil having to humble himself as he should. Not that there’s anything wrong with forgiveness, I think it shows Legolas’ strength as a character that he can forgive, but there is a difference between forgiveness and trying to build a relationship with someone again. What I most fear is that with Thranduil and Glorfindel, given where they are as character wise now, I fear they haven’t really understood the crimes they have committed against Legolas, the wounds they have inflicted upon his soul, and Legolas being Legolas, will think he has to excuse them. But because what they did was inexcusable it will end up being Legolas owning their crimes against him, taking them upon himself when he did nothing wrong.
But I must not despair for Legolas because Van and Maglor won’t let that happen! It’s interesting to see how completely opposite Legolas’ relationship with Van and Maglor is compared to the other two. Van and Maglor breath self-worth and love into Legolas’ life, which is exactly what he needs.I love the relationship between Maglor and Tindómion. It’s one of the more beautiful of that House, and all the more that it is love birthed from horrific violence. This chapter was very hard for Maglor, and he has not even remembered everything yet! When he does though, he will have those who love him around him and not be alone in the madness.
Gorgeous, magical chapter; it only seems to get more beautiful and intense as these three groups spiral towards their inevitable meeting that I can only think of as a potential fireworks explosion :D
Author's Response: What I most fear is that with Thranduil and Glorfindel, given where they are as character wise now, I fear they haven’t really understood the crimes they have committed against Legolas, the wounds they have inflicted upon his soul, and Legolas being Legolas, will think he has to excuse them
Yes, I think this is so, at this time in the story, which is why I hope there won't be the opportunity or time for reunions, although of course they are bound to meet in the upcoming nightmare through Shelob's Lair. I think Legolas is by nature forgiving, and too willing to lay the blame at his own feet.
It’s interesting to see how completely opposite Legolas’ relationship with Van and Maglor is compared to the other two. Van and Maglor breath self-worth and love into Legolas’ life, which is exactly what he needs.
They have done, and what a strange pair to do that, until we realize that they too have been hurt and as lost as Legolas.
I love the relationship between Maglor and Tindómion. It’s one of the more beautiful of that House, and all the more that it is love birthed from horrific violence.
I always loved these two, and felt that their relationship would be intense and close and beautiful eventually. (: Thank-you!
Thank-you so much for reading and reviewing, Encairion!
Ah Sian, I really wanted more Tindomion in this:(
But really, another amazing chapter. I loved that you gave Maglor a little more insight as far as Van is concerned. Another Van finally figured out who Osulf was.
"He gouged mercilessly into his memories, every interaction with Osulf, reinterpreted each conversation, look, smile. Sauron had known how to act, what to say, feeding Vanimórë the lies he would always hearken to: driven from his home for protecting a woman, coming to the East to be used for sex until he fought his way into a new life. And all the time watching his son, taunting him, walking on the edge, and, doubtless, laughing." - I found this heart breaking actually. It was the most beautiful part of this chapter for me. It caught my eyes today morning at 3 am when I was supposed to be studying for today' psychology exam. I mean, he acts so jaded right, but he can't help it and Sauron knew exactly how to play on his sympathy. I honestly don't know whether to hate him for his cruelty or admire his cunning.
I loved that you brought Gil's resistance to scorcery into the story, about his mind struggling to wake. And Legolas was magnificent. I think its in Esteliel's verse, where he fights Haldir in Lothlorien, it was beautiful, the way he fought. Despite his obvious lack of knowledge and inferior training and skill in comparison to Haldir, Legolas was lovely. That was exactly what I felt for him when I read this. The desperation and fear and the overwhelming concern and love he had for his child came out wonderfully. And the cliffs, Sian, that scene was amazing. I never though I would say this, but everyone in this verse, Van, Maglor, Glorfindel, Thranduil, everyone, pales in comparison to him in this moment.
Honestly, I don't like the Thranduil in this verse. I muc prefer the one in Magnificent. At least he is not such a prat towards his son! And lets not get started about Bainalph! I prefer your Magnificent verse Glorfindel too actually. But this is a crossover so I can live with it. Truth be told, it took me a very long time to appreciate Esteliel's work. A very long time and repeated reading of it.
Ungoliath?? Okey, I am not sure I even want to continue that line of thought. I was hiding behind my sister for most of the scene with Ungoliath and Frodo in Return of the King. And you can do horror quite well, if Dark Lands and Dark Blood are any indication. *looks wryly at screeen*
If I have any complaints, its that I really didn't understand Shemar' and Tanout's roles in this chapter. What where they doing exactly?
But other than that, Sian, another woderful addition to your AFFS. And I am begging (nagging) for more:)
Author's Response: Hiya Elvewen, sorry for not much Tindómion. There will be more of *every-one* the next couple of chapters at least.
There was not much room to explain more about what Tanout and Shemar were doing, without making the chapter longer than it already was, and it wasn't really vital, but will be explained further on anyhow. Basically, it was not Vanimórë who warned Legolas to leave, but Sauron imitating Vanimórë, which is why Tanout questioned Legolas, said it seemed sloppy. He found it hard to believe Van would want every-one to go their own way rather than stay together and he was right, but he wouldn't let Legolas go on his own. As it was, he and Shemar couldn't have followed Legolas over those internal walls, and so they had to try and get to the postern which is in the south wall, so the opposite direction to that which Sauron was taking. Tanout couldn't stop Legolas; how could you stop some-one going after their child?
Vanimórë mentioned Ungoliant (in Quenya) as that was what the Elves he knew in Angband called her, although Sauron knows Shelob isn't Ungoliant, thus so does Van, and either knows or guesses her to be Ungoliant's offspring. But she's bad enough. o_O
Ungoliant would be yeah, horrific, and she's way south in Tanith at this point :)
I found this heart breaking actually. It was the most beautiful part of this chapter for me. It caught my eyes today morning at 3 am when I was supposed to be studying for today' psychology exam. I mean, he acts so jaded right, but he can't help it and Sauron knew exactly how to play on his sympathy. I honestly don't know whether to hate him for his cruelty or admire his cunning.
Unfortunately Sauron does know every single chink in his son's armour. :( Even so, he did have to use a trace of his power, as Van would have known at first sight it was his father without that 'cushioning' glamour. No doubt Van will continue to feel stupid, but Sauron is good at making him feel like a fool, too. Van always feels like he is mentally fencing with some-one better than him, and getting wounded.
And Legolas was magnificent. I think its in Esteliel's verse, where he fights Haldir in Lothlorien, it was beautiful, the way he fought. Despite his obvious lack of knowledge and inferior training and skill in comparison to Haldir, Legolas was lovely. That was exactly what I felt for him when I read this. The desperation and fear and the overwhelming concern and love he had for his child came out wonderfully. And the cliffs, Sian, that scene was amazing. I never though I would say this, but everyone in this verse, Van, Maglor, Glorfindel, Thranduil, everyone, pales in comparison to him in this moment.
I am glad you liked that, as it was incredibly difficult to write (and I know exactly what you mean about Legolas fighting Haldir in Cuil Eden). The thought of heights just makes my knees wobble, and I had to keep getting up and doing something else, as I was close to a panic attack, which Legolas was too, and which would have been the end; he would have fallen.
He has a lot more inner strength than he thinks, even for an Elf who is not afraid of heights. The Men of Gondor built extremely well, and the outer wall would have been impossible for any-one to climb up or down without help(apart from an Elf) which was its purpose, really. And imagining Legolas frantic for his son at the same time really did me in; I was almost sweating blood by the time he reached terra firma, so I am really pleased that part caught your eye.
Honestly, I don't like the Thranduil in this verse. I muc prefer the one in Magnificent. At least he is not such a prat towards his son! And lets not get started about Bainalph! I prefer your Magnificent verse Glorfindel too actually. But this is a crossover so I can live with it. Truth be told, it took me a very long time to appreciate Esteliel's work. A very long time and repeated reading of it.
Yes, I think now, that I like the mental challenge of sometimes writing people who are just not really likable, to see if they change during the story. Some might remain unlikable! but when I read, I really quite enjoy characters who make me spit. For instance, reading Encairion's Irimë in The Price of Vengeance; I absolutely couldn't stand her, but it provided me with a sort of balance, since I was so sympathetic toward/liked most of the others. To be able to curse and hate some-one was rather refreshing :)
I am finding it interesting to write people whose actions I don't care for, (even hate) and at the same time it stretches my boundaries, since these characters like Thranduil and Glorfindel are not supposed to be ambiguous or evil, but on the 'good' side (unlike Sauron). Esteliel handled that brilliantly in her series with Glorfindel, and I think maybe it's a newer phase of my writing life, to explore apparently 'good' people behaving reprehensibly, rather than 'baddies' who we *expect* to behave reprehensibly. Grey areas are intriguing. And there is a template, (so to speak) for this, since Glorfindel and Thranduil did what they did in Esteliel's 'verse, and it remains to be seen (in this story) if they can ultimately be forgiven.
I hope you'll bear with me (:
Thank-you so much for reading (as I know how busy you are, and I hope all is going well with the exams) and taking time to write a review!
So it’s been far too long since I read this story, and I have decided to go back and re-read to remind myself what’s happening again.
I don’t think I’ve ever read someone who does descriptions, especially descriptions of the land, as well as you do. It’s so easy to see what you write in my mind’s eye, so captivating; and I shall be honest, when I’m reading other people’s stories I have a tendency to skip over descriptions like these because they feel so dry and overdone. Not so with your work, the idea of skipping even a line of something so action packed where every line is crafted beauty, is incomprehensible.
I love the magic of souls that you write, the way all these elves were tied together so Glorfindel, Thranduil ect were able to come to Legolas, Maglor, Van’s aid. When you write elven magic it’s so deep and natural and I can see every aspect of it sliding effortlessly into the gaps I feel flapping in Tolkien’s work. It’s the missing pieces I crave.
I can’t wait to read on and see what happens when these three groups of elves meet up finally! And I liked Glorfindel’s description of Legolas here: “Legolas bore the look Glorfindel had often seen in fledgling warriors who had fought, been wounded, seen those they loved die, and carried the scars internally. The great blue eyes held suffering, and there was pain in the rich curves of the mouth that Glorfindel had plundered as eagerly as the slender body.”
Legolas is really coming into his own now, I think. And I wish, oh how I wish, that Glorfindel will get a rude awakening when they finally meet and Legolas will have gained the self-confidence to show that elf lord where he can stuff it lol!
A pleasure to read as always :D
Author's Response: You are far too kind as always, Encairion. I read a quote somewhere that writers should always be 'mindful' of what they see around them in their daily life, so they can describe it in writing. My first writing was always of nature and the land, so I think that remains with me. I also have a deep need to know, when reading (and writing) where the characters are geographically, what the world around them is like, or I can't feel 'grounded'. If I read something that does not 'place' the characters within the landscape I feel unmoored, never mind that I have the Atlas of Middle-earth and maps, and can look at them (: it's not the same. Show me where the characters are, so I can see it, smell the air, feel the temperature.
Legolas has already found courage he did not know he possessed, and the future is only going to bring that even more to the fore. He has undergone a baptism of fire, really.
Thank-you so much for your review, Encairion. (:
I'd got very behind with this, so it was a pleasure to catch up. This chapter was so tense - you conyeyed the terror of the dark so well and Legolas's fear for Gil was heartbreaking. But at least Vanimore's eyes are opened to the true identity of Osulf. Now I just hope he can prevent the sacrifice.
Author's Response: Thank-you very much for reading, Naledi. There was a lot going on, and so I am very pleased it did come across as very tense. Yes, now Vanimórë knows, but is winging it as to what he can do.
It seems you're the only thing I'm psychic about - I start thinking about this story and a couple of days later I find a notification in my e-mail. I don't see how you keep track of all of those threads at once, but you do and you have my admiration. I'm glad that the pursuers are finally meeting up since I'm sure that Vanimore is right and it will take all of them to snatch Gil back from the doom that awaits him and his following father. As always, loved it and can't wait for more!
Author's Response: I start thinking about this story and a couple of days later I find a notification in my e-mail.
Synchronicity (:
I am so pleased you enjoyed it, Arcaddi. Thank-you.
I don't see how you keep track of all of those threads at once, but you do and you have my admiration
I think it's like exercising, except it's for the brain. The more I have to think about it, the more I am able to keep track, although I still have to re-read to refresh my memory!
I'm sure that Vanimore is right and it will take all of them to snatch Gil back from the doom that awaits him and his following father
There is no time now for threats and fighting against any-one but Shelob and Sauron, and I hope they all see that; they're warriors, so they ought to!
Thank-you again!
Oh Spiced- this is an exceptional chapter! Such terrifiying excitement- the dreadful sorcerous darkness, Sauron ahead with Gil, Legolas' absolute sense of panic and courage drawing everyone on and together- convergence indeed! And the double danger of Sauron AND Shelob. Brilliant description, brilliant chse, great action 'shots' that are incredibly visual and vivid, such a sense of danger. And still you get the depth of character and richness of the relationships, their history, the traigedy. Really spectacular writing my dear.
Author's Response: Legolas' absolute sense of panic and courage drawing everyone on and together- convergence indeed!
When I wrote Legolas climbing down that wall, my legs went to jelly, and I had to keep stopping, as I am terrified of heights! And of course, Legolas thinks that he has no power. In fact this is a kind of spiritual force that moves outside the laws of physics, more into the realm of not so much magic, but close to it. Legolas is the catalyst. It's not so much important how it happens, but why, and what bringing all these people together will do. Vanimórë knows that in this case it's better that there are several warriors going into Torech Ungol.
Thank-you so very much for your kind words, Ziggy; they are such an encouragement.
Just using the excuse of an update to read this lovely chapter again- you do tease and tease with Osulf, his sex with Vanimore, his bite, and then that wonderfully intense dialogue between Vanimore and Maglor - the complete self-loathing that stops him from ever having any real pleasure, or believing himself worthy of love. Desperately tragic. And I am so glad when I read of his dismissal and anger with the Valar- you know you have completely converted me to dislike of those passive Gods that take such vicous revenge on our lovely Feanorians!
And I love this way of introducing the long knives and Legolas' growing confidence.
And then this (I don't think I fully appreciated it the first reading)
Maglor whirled, hood falling away from his face. One hand rested on the globe, which fumed with diamond light. His eyes were burning stars.
“No right?” His face was that of a man whom had seen the end of his world, and would never accept it. “My father made this.”
...Silence fell like a stone. Maglor turned back to the palantir, caressed it as one would caress a lover's face. The light welled through his flesh. He bowed his head, and Vanimórë saw terrible yearning there. Tears streaked bright paths over the high cheeks. His mouth shaped silent words, but Vanimórë heard them resonate in his mind, the names of his father, his brothers, his uncle, his cousins, those gone into Night. And Vanimórë's heart clenched like an open wound. This should have been an intensely private moment.
Your love for Maglor is almost equal to your love for Vanimore and that is why you can write him with such tender understanding and deep compassion. It is what has kindled something in me too - not Tolkien's writing but yours.
And you switch from Osulf now to Sauron, just to give that real dread and deep fear, rather than the sense of unease and watchful anticipation you have fed us. Now Sauron moves, he is fully himself and moving. And he had Gil and means to do him harm. Dead scary. Dead good!
Author's Response: And I love this way of introducing the long knives and Legolas' growing confidence.
Thank-you. (: Van asked them to be made a little shorter than his own, in keeping with the Wood-Elves style of weapons. There has been so little time on this journey to teach him :(
And I am so glad when I read of his dismissal and anger with the Valar- you know you have completely converted me to dislike of those passive Gods that take such vicous revenge on our lovely Feanorians!
It's always great to influence others for a good cause :). Really I have a problem with Manwë and Námo/Mandos above them all and Manwë was supposed to be the 'king' of the Valar, and so his word was law. Useless wanker, excuse my French, and Námo the most unempathic, pitiless and stone-hearted of them all. The fact that the Doom fell on those who did not even take part in the Kinslayings, and even those who were not born, is simply wrong. I also don't recollect reading anywhere that the Teleri, who actually began the Kinslaying at Alqualondë were punished. No, it was the Noldor, as I beleive the Valar felt threatened by them, Fëanor most of all.
Your love for Magolr is almost equal to your love for Vanimore and that is why you can write him with such tender understnading and deep compassion. It is what has kindled something in me too - not Tolkien's writing but yours.
It seemed to me that Tolkien himself didn't love the Noldor, just used them as an example of what happens to people who 'disobey' God or God's representatives. But I do love them, and I am glad that comes through (:
Thank-you so much for the re-read and review, Ziggy!
This is fascinating. I had chills when I read it, especially when Gîl was kidnapped! I can hardly wait for you to post the next chapter!
Author's Response: Thank-you so much for taking the time to read and comment, Alquien. I am glad it affected you. I rotate my stories, but don't worry, I am not dropping this one!
Oh my - what are you doing to me, Spiced! You go from this incredible irony -“I would still have you,” Osulf continued. “I think you would be quite astonishing.” He laughed, swept his hair back over his shoulders.
“Keep dreaming.” But Vanimórë was still amused.
to this fabulous deliciousness:
Maglor was fabulously naked under loose clouds of liquid-black hair. He was still half-hard, smelled of perfumed musk, and before Vanimórë could even be surprised, Maglor caught him hard, kissed him.
Behind his closed eyelids, fireflowers bloomed, red and star-white. Their bodies slammed together, and his hands plunged into that heavy hair. The taste of wine was on his tongue, Legolas' seed. He savoured it, the surge of Maglor's planed muscles against him, and let himself believe that Maglor remembered their time in Barad-dûr. With Sauron gone, no-one had disturbed them, and they might have been alone in the fortress, locked away from time. When Maglor channeled his rage into passion, it had been magnificent.
He quenched the thought, ran his fingers down Maglor's arm's and drew back. The silver eyes drove into his like metal lit by fire, and the Fëanorion thrust him back against the wall. Vanimórë was startled, and once again, ferociously aroused.
ah, the passion and desire, the pure sexuality and maleness- some folks just don't get slash. This is glorious, unadulterated, lustful , glorious and masculine.
And through it all is Sauron's insidious cunning, his intelligence and design, and the confusion he has woven about them all- perfectly beautifully plotted, beautifully written.
Author's Response: Thank-you so much, Ziggy. I am glad Sauron's intelligence and 'design' comes across, (hopefully). But there's so much in the past between Vanimórë and Maglor, and Vanimórë and Sauron, of course! that it's also pertinent to the plot and what will happen, hence the 'lustful' interludes, har! :D
ah, the passion and desire, the pure sexuality and maleness- some folks just don't get slash.
Oh well, that's exactly why I write it, and can't write or read het. There's a lot more equality in two magnificent males coming together even if it is UST and not sex itself, and I love the no-holds-barred roughness they can express, warrior-to-warrior. I just don't see that, feel it, or find it anywhere but in slash, (thinking of your Legolas and Elrohir (: )
You are so kind to take the time to tell me what you like. Thank-you again!
What an extraordinary chapter, it is always such a genuine treat to see any of your stories updated and I honestly loved every part of this chapter, except the part when it ended on a horrible cliffie of course! Though all the best chapters always do don't they? To speak for myself I was very intrigued to see some Gondorian history worked into this chapter, though it is a part in that history where the rulers all seemed determined to win a 'Terrible Choices' contest. Honestly, It's a wonder sometimes when you go back and look at the history of that realm that it made it to the fourth age at all.
Author's Response: I have to follow canon with Gondorian history, and this is only a year or so before Tarostar does take advantage of problems in the East, defeats them and takes the name Rómendacil, (East Victor). He ruled for about forty more years before the Easterlings attacked again, and was this time, slain in battle, his son Turambar then defeated them, and added some eastern lands to Gondor. But Van has little to do with this, his interests being in the South at this time. He just keeps a weather-eye on Gondor. By the time Gondor reached the height of its power, and defeated the armies of the Harad in 1015, Van was already back in Sauron's service, so he never himself warred against Gondor, though as he said, he's not an ally, more 'neutral'.
Thank-you for taking the time to read and comment, Anywn!
Many chapters ago, when Elrond urged Glorfindel to kill Vanimórë when he found him, I thought of course he must be wrong.
But now we see why Elrond may have been wiser than we are--- no matter what Van himself may wish, and no matter how brilliant he is in all things else, his enslavement to his father is giving Sauron increasing power even without the Ring. And, since Van believes that even the Void is no escape, he has, truly, no escape at all.
And now Sauron has Gil, in total darkness and privacy. Just as he planned.
Author's Response: his enslavement to his father is giving Sauron increasing power even without the Ring. And, since Van believes that even the Void is no escape, he has, truly, no escape at all.
This is unfortunately true. I thought it was also worth noting Sauron's belief that he, Sauron, always has a way back as long as Van lives, since we know he does return in Dark God, and although I still have to write after that point, it holds true to my 'verse.
Elrond does not of course, know this, but he does have some foresight through Melian's blood, and that may be why he considers Van is so dangerous.
Thank-you, as always Ebbingnight, for continuing to read and review.
Vanimore honey you break my heart and make me wanna kick you in the bum at the same time.
Author's Response: Um, okay, Urloth. XD Sorry about that!
Shivers of pleasure for the new update! Sauron the puppet master has everyone dancing to his tune. Will Vanimore come to Legolas and Gil's rescue or will Glorfindel and Thranduil appear as before when Legolas was in need? And how am I going to wait to find out? Thank you so much for the new chapter!
Author's Response: Thank-you for reading, Arcadii, and taking time to comment. Of course we'll find out what happens in the new chapter. I have an idea, but I don't think it will be simple.
The tension is really rising, in many ways. I'm still worrying about Sauron, but I trust Vanimore will remain on guard. Legolas seems to be growing and more sure of himself. Wonderful stuff!
Author's Response: Hiya Melusine, it is so nice to see you on here (:
Vanimórë is 'on guard', but only in a general sense at the moment. He wouldn't trust Sauron enough to (for instance) leave Gîl with him, but that is more because he does not trust 'Osulf' as a person yet, although he is less wary than he was. Sauron is at the moment, playing a waiting game, does not want to seem *too* interested in Legolas or Gîl, but trusted enough to be around them. Thank-you so much for commenting!
I read this on Halloween night, and this bit made me shiver:
After his initial curiosity, he appeared to take little notice of the child, but Gîl's vivid blue eyes fixed on him with an odd, adult look. The Man had spent some time on his appearance this evening. He had bathed, combed out his wet hair, which lay flax-pale over his shoulders as he regarded the game-board. Vanimórë was reminded of his father studying maps with the same look of concentration. The times when he forgot cruelty. He felt his face stiffen. Osulf was not looking at him, but the child murmured.
I think that that it is just as well that Gil can't speak yet, as a very little child can sense (and say) the wrongness in things that adults may not notice (or be willing to verbalize.) And the idea of Glorfindel's son being in the presence (and power) of Sauron unbeknownst to all his protectors (including, perhaps, Van, though it's not clear whether or not Osulf's real identity may be dawning upon him now) is very frightening indeed.
And Legolas... I loved how he is finding his own power in submission, and that he may be recognizing that he can want what he wants, and it is not as demeaning as Glorfindel had made him think.
You've reached yet another fascinating place in this journey!
Author's Response: And the idea of Glorfindel's son being in the presence (and power) of Sauron unbeknownst to all his protectors (including, perhaps, Van, though it's not clear whether or not Osulf's real identity may be dawning upon him now) is very frightening indeed.
I think Gîl senses something, or even something subconscious from Van, although his blood is certainly strong enough to react to something 'off-kilter'. Sauron would not show his hand right now, he's been establishing trust for some time, even though perhaps Vanimórë is with him because he *does not* trust him. (Although from what he's seen, he would know that he could best Osulf in a fight, therefore isn't afraid of harm coming to Gîl) What Van does not know, unfortunately, is that he himself can 'recharge' Sauron.
he may be recognizing that he can want what he wants, and it is not as demeaning as Glorfindel had made him think.
Legolas does need to do that - in a way, this is a 'forced' growth, like growing something under lamps, or in a hothouse, as he definitely is growing, not realizing it, but this is still something that almost obsesses Legolas, and so this interlude has, I hope, taught him that he is not demeaned, nor weak, but as Maglor thought, actually does have a lot of power.
The next chapter will be rather more pivotal, but I am very glad you enjoyed this one, Ebbingnight. Thank-you!
If finally managed to catch up with this fiction, it's a long time I did not find quietness enough to take the time to read the numerous chapters I missed... But it's done!
I'm still so found of Tindomion, he is really a wonderful creation of yours! I like what he said to Glorfindel, that he is like Sauron because he killed a man he loved and respected. Him only can shake Glorfindel out of his madness.
I also like your Thranduil. It's quite a new character for me because I do not read a lot of fictions portraying him but I love this mix of power/hate/love/desire/guilt etc (You really have a wicked taste for tormented characters!!).
And strangely enough, I quite like Osulf... You know, I had this strange idea several time through the whole Dark Prince stories that maybe, somehow, Sauron has a reason for what he did, that he also, like many others in your verse, is the gods' tool in the making of the magnificent weapon that Van his. And that he loath himself even more than Van does, because he has to inflict so much pain on his own son, and to do so evil things for a better good. I know it a weird hypothesis that does not work so well with his POV that you wrote in this fic...
Thank you once again for sharing with us!
Kiss/hugs
Author's Response: Hello, Eridana, it's nice to see you back! Thank-you for following this and commenting.
I'm still so fond of Tindomion, he is really a wonderful creation of yours! I like what he said to Glorfindel, that he is like Sauron because he killed a man he loved and respected. Him only can shake Glorfindel out of his madness.
I also like your Thranduil. It's quite a new character for me because I do not read a lot of fictions portraying him but I love this mix of power/hate/love/desire/guilt etc (You really have a wicked taste for tormented characters!!).
I am really glad when people comment they like Tindómion (: I am very fond of him myself. Writing Thranduil is relatively new for me, but once I got into any story that included the Greenwood/Mirkwood, he was obviously going to be in it. As I like him, writing him as a character with a lot of guilt, pain, etc, is different for me (same with Glorfindel, as I like them both as characters, but they're flawed in this and have their own long journey's to make).
And strangely enough, I quite like Osulf... You know, I had this strange idea several time through the whole Dark Prince stories that maybe, somehow, Sauron has a reason for what he did, that he also, like many others in your verse, is the gods' tool in the making of the magnificent weapon that Van his. And that he loath himself even more than Van does, because he has to inflict so much pain on his own son, and to do so evil things for a better good. I know it a weird hypothesis that does not work so well with his POV that you wrote in this fic...
Ah-ha. *She says* This is one of the most fascinating comments about a character I've read. It's true that in a way, Sauron was being used as much as he *used* his son, but all I can say that his story isn't over, and in later ones I will address this very issue.
Thank-you, and big hugs for taking the time to review! I will copy-paste this to AO3 - it was kind of you to post reviews on both archives.
Take care
Siân
Oh! Oh! Updates!! Updates I totally missed. Excuse me while I devour!
Author's Response: Thank-you for reading, Urloth (:
This just gets richer and more complex every time you update. The subtlety of Osulf/Sauron slips just a fraction here and everything in me is screaming to Van- He's behind you!!! That dialogue is loaded with irony and foreboding, the not-quite questions and answers veiled in not-quite honesty and not-quite loes. Sauron the Deceiver indeed.
And how Legolas IS changed. It has been so gradual and delicately written, but just that note of muscle, the determination not to leave Tanout, says everything and both Thranduil and Glorfindel will find a very changed Legolas fianlly.
There are such gorgeous descriptions as always but I htink the imagery for Mordor and the surrounding lands is really wonderful- the sense of the Morannon being a mouth, or maw is perfectyl done- empty but tstill thrwtenting and not toothless by any means. The sens eof weight, of darkness like a claok, everything weights it down, and hte fact that only one spring remains clear and tastes of the Wood suggests that the malevloence is still creeping forwards.
And finally, the eroticism of Legolas' swooning sensuality, so like Bainalph now. LOvely.
Scuse the typos- its very late.
Author's Response: The subtlety of Osulf/Sauron slips just a fraction here and everything in me is screaming to Van- He's behind you!!!
Lol, that was deliberate. Sauron is hmm, becoming more excited, more anticipatory of what will shortly happen (if it works out) and Vanimórë's mind is full of other matters, namely the pursuit of Thranduil and Glorfindel. Part of the trouble is, people in positions of importance want to speak to him, and he cannot very well avoid that, and that, along with this illness, causes more delays. Osgiliath is coming up, which at this time, was the capital of Gondor, (not Minas Tirith).
the sense of the Morannon being a mouth, or maw is perfectly done- empty but still threatening and not toothless by any means. The sense of weight, of darkness like a claok, everything weights it down, and the fact that only one spring remains clear and tastes of the Wood suggests that the malevloence is still creeping forwards.
It does say in LOTR that the Dead Marshes spread since the Last Alliance, so I've assumed that the Dagorlad, the Noman Lands also have, leaving this one defiant spring.
Bainalph is as Legolas should be, which is why these two must meet, so that Legolas can see that his tastes do not mean he is weak. (: Thank-you, Ziggy for reading and reviewing!